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GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
We were knocking noses out of place by winning things. The ECB clearly didn't think much of us in relation to the produced England players. It was a common statement amongst members (the jealousy thing) and for me it's a very valid opinion. They most definitely wanted to finish Durham off.
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No idea about your last point, but think it’s a silly point to state any organization running the England side is jealous of a team producing England players!!
 

My take on it was Graves didn't want CLS to host test cricket as it may have impacted on Headingley. Therefore Durham being deep in debt was an ideal opportunity for Graves to manipulate the situation. Didn't the ECB effectively "buy" some of the debt in return for us giving up test status? Then they just added some crazy points deductions which made no sense at all but guaranteed us relegation and an unlikely promotion next season.

I often wonder if someone else was ECB chairman whether we would have received such a harsh punishment.
 
Aidan11 said:
My take on it was Graves didn't want CLS to host test cricket as it may have impacted on Headingley. Therefore Durham being deep in debt was an ideal opportunity for Graves to manipulate the situation. Didn't the ECB effectively "buy" some of the debt in return for us giving up test status? Then they just added some crazy points deductions which made no sense at all but guaranteed us relegation and an unlikely promotion next season.

I often wonder if someone else was ECB chairman whether we would have received such a harsh punishment.
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It’s my opinion that Graves’ financial interests in Yorkshire played a part in our punishment, and his influence at the ECB has helped protect his financial interests with this ‘lack of punishment’ for Yorkshire
 
Twisted said:
Well it's what FTECB have been doing systematically over the last half decade with ever increasing severity so it must be a good idea


i've always considered wetherby the cut off point like.
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Nah, it's actually the Thames. Watford are a bunch of dirty northern bastards
 
Voice of fair play said:
No idea about your last point, but think it’s a silly point to state any organization running the England side is jealous of a team producing England players!!
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Labelling the. ECB an organisation is an even sillier point. The committee who imposed the sanctions was composed of people who were in senior positions in clubs who were competing with Durham for staging of test matches. As such they should have declared a financial interest and withdrawn from the process. None more so than the chairman himself who had a £20m interest.
It was well chronicled that ECB have never been keen on "outpost" Durham having 1st class status.
 
Parkside said:
Labelling the. ECB an organisation is an even sillier point. The committee who imposed the sanctions was composed of people who were in senior positions in clubs who were competing with Durham for staging of test matches. As such they should have declared a financial interest and withdrawn from the process. None more so than the chairman himself who had a £20m interest.
It was well chronicled that ECB have never been keen on "outpost" Durham having 1st class status.
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That’s totally different to the point I was making or replying too.

It’s massively clear to all concerned that the ECB punishment on Durham was extremely harsh.

What the motive was for that harsh punishment I have no idea so will bow to your greater knowledge on that score.


But my point and what I relied to the poster was that for him to say the ECB ‘were jealous of Durham producing England players’

Is frankly ridiculous!

As any county producing England players whoever that county is can only aid the actual England side and make England a better side which is of course what the ECB wants!
 
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Parkside said:
Labelling the. ECB an organisation is an even sillier point. The committee who imposed the sanctions was composed of people who were in senior positions in clubs who were competing with Durham for staging of test matches. As such they should have declared a financial interest and withdrawn from the process. None more so than the chairman himself who had a £20m interest.
It was well chronicled that ECB have never been keen on "outpost" Durham having 1st class status.
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So why did the ECB "bail out" Durham.
I don't agree that they don't want them to be a first class county but I agree they don't particularly see them or want them as a test match venue.
 
Voice of fair play said:
That’s totally different to the point I was making or replying too.

It’s massively clear to all concerned that the ECB punishment on Durham was extremely harsh.

What the motive was for that harsh punishment I have no idea so will bow to your greater knowledge on that score.


But my point and what I relied to the poster was that for him to say the ECB ‘were jealous of Durham producing England players’

Is frankly ridiculous!

As any county producing England players whoever that county is can only aid the actual England side and make England a better side which is of course what the ECB wants!
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It's wholly relevant to the point that I perceived you were making. You're admitting that ECB are anti-Durham. The most recent example being exonerating Surrey for failing to fulfilling a fixture at Durham.
It's wholly reasonable to conclude that any illustrations of Durham strength e.g..producing England players frustrate ECB.
If ECB really wished England teams to improve and to be competitive they wouldn't schedule red ball games at the book ends of season or schedule tours which prevent adequate time to aclimatise.
 
Voice of fair play said:
No idea about your last point, but think it’s a silly point to state any organization running the England side is jealous of a team producing England players!!
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Agree with this, however there certainly seemed to be a case of durham players leaving durham suddenly becoming much better players deserving of england recognition. and given people at FTECB also hosting posts at rival counties i don't think it's a stretch to suggest they had conflicting interests, in the same way yorkshire would benefit from durham losing test status and hampshire benefit from us being relegated instead of them.

there's absolutely no credibility in a punishment handed out by those who would directly benefit from the severity of the sanctions
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
So why did the ECB "bail out" Durham.
I don't agree that they don't want them to be a first class county but I agree they don't particularly see them or want them as a test match venue.
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all the more galling considering how we were set up. we could have a lovely small ground overlooked by durham cathedral if not for demanding we build a test venue
 
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Parkside said:
It's wholly relevant to the point that I perceived you were making. You're admitting that ECB are anti-Durham. The most recent example being exonerating Surrey for failing to fulfilling a fixture at Durham.
It's wholly reasonable to conclude that any illustrations of Durham strength e.g..producing England players frustrate ECB.
If ECB really wished England teams to improve and to be competitive they wouldn't schedule red ball games at the book ends of season or schedule tours which prevent adequate time to aclimatise.
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Personally I think it’s a silly argument, in fact it could be argued that if there was a anti Durham agenda within the ECB there would want them to produce England players so they could control them players and not let them play for Durham.

Not be jealous of them producing England players it’s ludicrous either way to say that!

My point is simply this of course the ECB want counties to produce quality England players whoever that county is!

That is obvious and I suspect you know that!
 
Parkside said:
They bailed them out because they'd bailed out other counties but without sanction e.g. Leics, Northants and Glamorgan.
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Not before Durham though. The Glamorgan bail out and lack of sanctions against them is actually more unfair to Durham than what is happening now with Yorkshire. But that's the power of a county with s lot of influence at the England and Wales cricket board.
When it comes to the crunch each county looks after itself.
 
Twisted said:
Agree with this, however there certainly seemed to be a case of durham players leaving durham suddenly becoming much better players deserving of england recognition. and given people at FTECB also hosting posts at rival counties i don't think it's a stretch to suggest they had conflicting interests, in the same way yorkshire would benefit from durham losing test status and hampshire benefit from us being relegated instead of them.

there's absolutely no credibility in a punishment handed out by those who would directly benefit from the severity of the sanctions


all the more galling considering how we were set up. we could have a lovely small ground overlooked by durham cathedral if not for demanding we build a test venue
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It’s a stretch to say there were jealous of Durham producing players for a England side they run.

Imagine somebody saying the FA is jealous of a club side producing England players for the football national team.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Personally I think it’s a silly argument, in fact it could be argued that if there was a anti Durham agenda within the ECB there would want them to produce England players so they could control them players and not let them play for Durham.

Not be jealous of them producing England players it’s ludicrous either way to say that!

My point is simply this of course the ECB want counties to produce quality England players whoever that county is!

That is obvious and I suspect you know that!
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There's little point in furthering a discussion with you if you deny there is an anti -Durham agenda, sanctions on Durham because of debt and the Surrey cancellation examples of them being treated differently to other counties. The ECB board and the England selection committee are 2 entirely different bodies.
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
Not before Durham though. The Glamorgan bail out and lack of sanctions against them is actually more unfair to Durham than what is happening now with Yorkshire. But that's the power of a county with s lot of influence at the England and Wales cricket board.
When it comes to the crunch each county looks after itself.
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not so sure about the timeline of the different bail outs. Relevant point is other counties escaped without sanction. There's a dilemma regarding composition of ECB board. It's now composed of people independent of counties,problem is they haveno knowledge of cricket.
 
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Parkside said:
There's little point in furthering a discussion with you if you deny there is an anti -Durham agenda, sanctions on Durham because of debt and the Surrey cancellation examples of them being treated differently to other counties. The ECB board and the England selection committee are 2 entirely different bodies.

not so sure about the timeline of the different bail outs. Relevant point is other counties escaped without sanction. There's a dilemma regarding composition of ECB board. It's now composed of people independent of counties,problem is they haveno knowledge of cricket.
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I simply saying it’s a ludicrous suggestion to say the ECB were jealous of Durham producing England players for a England team they run!!

It makes no sense whichever way you look at it, for them to be jealous of anybody producing players to help them!!

Whether there is anti Durham agenda ,I will let others discuss as can’t read minds or enough knowledge on it
 
Voice of fair play said:
I simply saying it’s a ludicrous suggestion to say the ECB were jealous of Durham producing England players for a England team they run!!

It makes no sense whichever way you look at it, for them to be jealous of anybody producing players to help them!!

Whether there is anti Durham agenda ,I will let others discuss as can’t read minds or enough knowledge on it
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That'your opinion which you're fully entitled to hold. Whether you have the right to call opinions opposing that as ludicrous or silly is another issue.
 
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