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Franchise cricket again

DonaldDownTheWing said:
Can’t get away with it me. I like the blast and don’t mind the BBL as the teams represent a place and come out of county/shield cricket.

IPL and all that is crap.
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The IPL is one of the biggest sporting competitions in the world now, grossing money up there with the biggest sporting events and has the worlds best cricketers in that format playing in it, so has the most quality and skills on show of any T20 tournament in the world by far.

So although I can certainly get your point about having no relation to it yourself.

It’s certainly not crap

And when you seen the scenes on the streets last year when Bangalore won it.

It’s more than fair to say it meant a lot to their supporters so they clearly felt the side was representing their area/city/town.
 
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Voice of fair play said:
The IPL is one of the biggest sporting competitions in the world now, grossing money up there with the biggest sporting events and has the worlds best cricketers in that format playing in it, so has the most quality and skills on show of any T20 tournament in the world by far.

So although I can certainly get your point about having no relation to it yourself.

It’s certainly not crap

And when you seen the scenes on the streets last year when Bangalore won it.

It’s more than fair to say it meant a lot to their supporters so they clearly felt the side was representing their area/city/town.
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I meant it’s crap to me, as I was giving my opinion on it I thought it was clear but never mind.

It’s fantastic for people who like it, draws in massive crowds so clearly a lot of people love it. Good that cricketers are able to make good money too.

Each to their own.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Not really because I can see your point.

If there is too much on all the time of anything it dilutes the product.

I am a bit like that with football too much on the telly, when I was a 11 year old would not believe I would ever say that.

However my main point is in each country itself it’s still popular with fans and people go to watch it.

The IPL whether people like it or not is massive and extremely popular, now I know cricket in India a religion almost but they adore the IPL above other cricket.

Not saying it’s right because it probably not, but there has to be a acceptance that T20 very popular product
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It's a popular product and understandably so but I'm not so sure that the gap in quality between a franchise product and the domestic product can justify the huge differential in salaries. Nor is the franchise product doing anything to develop the game at grass roots level. Ultimately it'll lead to bankrupting the game.
 
Without wishing to do the format thing, the one thing that really pisses me off is the Hundred drafting.

Jonny Bairstow - yeah, plays for Yorkshire! Unlucky, he plays for Glamorgan/Wales in this.

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It’s a popular money making method now for players. Some players are earning more in a 3 week competition to bowl 4 overs per game than a player does in a county championship season. Bonkers. Players like Rashid Khan and Sunil Narine have proper milked it like, they’re in different colours every month.
 
Inside Forward said:
I’ve lost count of the amount of times I’ve seen something like the SA20 or IPL about to start and I’ll think “I’ll try and get into it”, only for me to be bored stiff after about 20 minutes before turning it off.

There’s far too much of it, but the Indian bell ends who finance it don’t seem to be able to grasp that less is more.
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And that is what's happening to our t20. Kids just bored and switch off now. The thrill of it has gone mostly due to slow over rates and the game slowing down. 2 hours for it20 is not good.

And that is not franchised, just average county players, why the 100 was formed something new something something different you now all get it???
 
The one in Dubai just sums it all up. There’s about 200 people in a 20k stadium and they’re probably just families and sponsors
 
DonaldDownTheWing said:
Can’t get away with it me. I like the blast and don’t mind the BBL as the teams represent a place and come out of county/shield cricket.

IPL and all that is crap.
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Bit of a reach to say that the BBL comes out of Shield cricket. Each state has at least one franchise based in its capital city, but that is far more because Australia has six states than because the Shield has six state teams in it.
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Watching the South African t20 thing as there is little on. Some great players playing (Durban have Conway, Williamson, Buttler, Markram and Klaasen as their top 6) but it just feels so irrelevant to me. There is so much of it, with different permutations of players in different leagues

Has it eaten itself or am I just a grumpy git?

(I get the skill and entertainment of it before anyone starts)
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Nope, not just you mate. Its all irrelevant now, totally saturated market.

I'll tell you what makes it worse. They all have the same names and colours. Variations of the different IPL teams. Stupid.

Hope they all crash and burn.
Inside Forward said:
I’ve lost count of the amount of times I’ve seen something like the SA20 or IPL about to start and I’ll think “I’ll try and get into it”, only for me to be bored stiff after about 20 minutes before turning it off.

There’s far too much of it, but the Indian bell ends who finance it don’t seem to be able to grasp that less is more.
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Nail on head mate. Thick *****
 
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Parkside said:
It's a popular product and understandably so but I'm not so sure that the gap in quality between a franchise product and the domestic product can justify the huge differential in salaries. Nor is the franchise product doing anything to develop the game at grass roots level. Ultimately it'll lead to bankrupting the game.
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To some degree, this might be another issue more with the game as it is structured in this country than generally.

Because of the way the IPL is structured BCCI rakes in vast sums from it which is used to provide significant support for a first class structure that would make even Andrew Strauss say that ours is streamlined and logical by comparison and that is central to and focussed on grassroots development over there. It also props up test cricket which doesn’t have the popularity to generate the revenue. By contrast in this country, the Blast has never really done that, but test cricket does it instead.

Both models reflect where the game is in their respective countries. I don’t think either is right or wrong.
 
Fleagle said:
To some degree, this might be another issue more with the game as it is structured in this country than generally.

Because of the way the IPL is structured BCCI rakes in vast sums from it which is used to provide significant support for a first class structure that would make even Andrew Strauss say that ours is streamlined and logical by comparison and that is central to and focussed on grassroots development over there. It also props up test cricket which doesn’t have the popularity to generate the revenue. By contrast in this country, the Blast has never really done that, but test cricket does it instead.Both models reflect where the game is in their respective countries.I don't think either is right or wrong.
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Fleagle said:
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Yeh,wholly agree.The revenue from IPL can justify the lucrative salaries on offer but there's no way the Hundred in it's current financial model can justify the new salary bands they're offering. It can only match the IPL salaries with Indian players involved and attracting India TV companies. Presumably the new franchise owners are confident of achieving this.
ECB have been very coy about finer details of the sell off but what has dripped out is that any profits from the Hundred will be split 80% to 20% in favour of the franchise where the original 49 to 51% ownership still exists and franchise owners will retain complete control over England players involvement.I
I've no doubt short form franchise cricket will proliferate but I don't see it having a long term financial future outside
India.
Goodbye Cricket
As we know it.
Such is the imbalance between bat and ball that It's no longer a test of skill but purely an exhibition of power hitting. Bring on the clowns but surely the saturation will lead to monotony and it's demise.
Fleagle said:
Bit of a reach to say that the BBL comes out of Shield cricket. Each state has at least one franchise based in its capital city, but that is far more because Australia has six states than because the Shield has six state teams in it.
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No,it's surely because there are 6 venues that can hold such events and they exist because of the Sheffield Shield.
 
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Parkside said:
No,it's surely because there are 6 venues that can hold such events and they exist because of the Sheffield Shield.
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No. There are eight primary “home” venues. Because there are eight franchises. The Melbourne and Sydney franchises don’t share.

Of the two grounds that weren’t traditionally Shield cricket grounds one owes its existence to AFL football and the other mainly to the Sydney Olympics. But let’s face it, the other six also owe their existence primarily to the AFL these days.
 
Fleagle said:
No. There are eight primary “home” venues. Because there are eight franchises. The Melbourne and Sydney franchises don’t share.

Of the two grounds that weren’t traditionally Shield cricket grounds one owes its existence to AFL football and the other mainly to the Sydney Olympics. But let’s face it, the other six also owe their existence primarily to the AFL these days.
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The 6 Sheffield Shield venues were established originally for cricket was my understanding and are used as cricket venues for BBL. I'd have thought their use as international cricket venues would also be of some significance.However if you wish to persist in your normal contradictory,nit picking mode so be it.
I'm clearly fighting a losing battle.
 
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chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Watching the South African t20 thing as there is little on. Some great players playing (Durban have Conway, Williamson, Buttler, Markram and Klaasen as their top 6) but it just feels so irrelevant to me. There is so much of it, with different permutations of players in different leagues

Has it eaten itself or am I just a grumpy git?

(I get the skill and entertainment of it before anyone starts)
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But your watching it. Would care and be glued to watching the normal provincial cricket T20 over there???

Do you get excited by S.A. provincial cricket and follow a team???

What difference does.it make if its provincial.or franchise???

If you say yes I watch every provincial t20.from S.A but not the franchise stuff it would make more sense than you just bemoaning franchise cricket for no reason.
 
Iamme said:
But your watching it. Would care and be glued to watching the normal provincial cricket T20 over there???

Do you get excited by S.A. provincial cricket and follow a team???

What difference does.it make if its provincial.or franchise???

If you say yes I watch every provincial t20.from S.A but not the franchise stuff it would make more sense than you just bemoaning franchise cricket for no reason.
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For me, I can watch a game and appreciate good players, but to really enjoy it I have to get invested in it and have a natural instinct to prefer one team over another.

I have that watching any of the Durham or England teams play, but this franchise stuff just feels so fleeting and temporary it’s hard to get attached and it takes loads aways from it for me.
 
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