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Fascinating old SAFC story as told by my Nana

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This is a story told to me by my grandmother, whose mother worked in domestic service for the Marquess of Londonderry.

The Marquess of Londonderry (Charles) was a leading politician, aristocrat, local colliery owner, and the owner of Seaham Hall. It was he who officially opened Roker Park on the 10th September 1898.

He associated with royalty, being a contemporary and close friend of the Prince of Wales (Albert).

In the 1890s, football was becoming our national game. Being very proud of Sunderland's new ground, Charles invited his friend Albert (who he knew had recently attended a match at Kennington Oval) to attend a match. Albert agreed to attend the match between Sunderland and West Bromwich Albion to be played on 8th October 1898, but on the clear understanding that it would be a strictly unofficial and private visit.

In late September, the Prince of Wales went to Balmoral to enjoy some hunting and fishing and whilst there, he discovered that the brother of the "gillie" (whose name was Jimmy Wilson) was a Sunderland player (Hughie Wilson). Jimmy had never seen Hughie playing in any football match, so Albert insisted that Jimmy accompanied him to Roker Park. Jimmy was a firm favourite of Queen Victoria who was also holidaying at Balmoral. Apparently, Queen Victoria showed some interest in attending the match, partly because she had never seen how this increasingly popular game was played, but mainly because Jimmy had enthusiastically advocated it, supported by Albert.

The Royal train arrived in Edinburgh on the 5th October, where my great-grandmother's co-worker, a valet whose name I dont recall, had been sent to join the travelling party.

On 7th October, a train arrived at Ryhope Station, met by Charles, his family, and a team of servants. The visit was completely unannounced and kept secret from public knowledge. Staff in service were sworn to secrecy.

Jimmy Wilson stayed in the servant quarters and actually chatted to my great-grandmother, gossiping about all the details of the background to the visit, confirming that Queen Victoria was in the travelling group.

The following day, my great-grandmother witnessed five carriages setting off from Seaham Hall. Amongst the travellers were some of the royal entourage, definitely including Charles, Albert, and Jimmy Wilson.

The carriages returned at about 7pm, although Jimmy was now making his way back to Scotland so did not return to tell further tales. Unfortunately, the two senior domestic staff who travelled were very tight-lipped, so no details of the day's events were ever revealed.

Nevertheless, I have my grandmother's word that Queen Victoria was almost certainly in the party that attended the match with her son the Prince of Wales. It was the only football match she ever attended.

Believe it or not, Sunderland won 2-0.
 

Interesting stuff, has it ever been corroborated? Surely Royal diaries or itineraries exist I would have thought?? Be great if true and a cracking quiz question!
 
This is a story told to me by my grandmother, whose mother worked in domestic service for the Marquess of Londonderry.

The Marquess of Londonderry (Charles) was a leading politician, aristocrat, local colliery owner, and the owner of Seaham Hall. It was he who officially opened Roker Park on the 10th September 1898.

He associated with royalty, being a contemporary and close friend of the Prince of Wales (Albert).

In the 1890s, football was becoming our national game. Being very proud of Sunderland's new ground, Charles invited his friend Albert (who he knew had recently attended a match at Kennington Oval) to attend a match. Albert agreed to attend the match between Sunderland and West Bromwich Albion to be played on 8th October 1898, but on the clear understanding that it would be a strictly unofficial and private visit.

In late September, the Prince of Wales went to Balmoral to enjoy some hunting and fishing and whilst there, he discovered that the brother of the "gillie" (whose name was Jimmy Wilson) was a Sunderland player (Hughie Wilson). Jimmy had never seen Hughie playing in any football match, so Albert insisted that Jimmy accompanied him to Roker Park. Jimmy was a firm favourite of Queen Victoria who was also holidaying at Balmoral. Apparently, Queen Victoria showed some interest in attending the match, partly because she had never seen how this increasingly popular game was played, but mainly because Jimmy had enthusiastically advocated it, supported by Albert.

The Royal train arrived in Edinburgh on the 5th October, where my great-grandmother's co-worker, a valet whose name I dont recall, had been sent to join the travelling party.

On 7th October, a train arrived at Ryhope Station, met by Charles, his family, and a team of servants. The visit was completely unannounced and kept secret from public knowledge. Staff in service were sworn to secrecy.

Jimmy Wilson stayed in the servant quarters and actually chatted to my great-grandmother, gossiping about all the details of the background to the visit, confirming that Queen Victoria was in the travelling group.

The following day, my great-grandmother witnessed five carriages setting off from Seaham Hall. Amongst the travellers were some of the royal entourage, definitely including Charles, Albert, and Jimmy Wilson.

The carriages returned at about 7pm, although Jimmy was now making his way back to Scotland so did not return to tell further tales. Unfortunately, the two senior domestic staff who travelled were very tight-lipped, so no details of the day's events were ever revealed.

Nevertheless, I have my grandmother's word that Queen Victoria was almost certainly in the party that attended the match with her son the Prince of Wales. It was the only football match she ever attended.

Believe it or not, Sunderland won 2-0.
And to think we actually won. Having said that I think winning was a regular habit the teams of SAFC had at that time must have been great winning for decades on end.
 
Charles was not very popular in the town apparently, especially following a terrible pit disaster in 1891.

I think his grandad (the third marquess) is the subject of the statue (on horseback) in Durham Market Place.

The original Peacock pub in Sunderland which was knocked down to make way for a beautiful new pub building and renamed "The Londonderry" in honour of Charles, is now back to being called the Peacock again, which rightly pleased those with very long memories.

He was also known to be mean but he was kind enough to sell on his estate for future use by potential SAFC signings looking for lavish hospitality and easy money.

By the way it was the Duke of York (Prince Andrew) who officially opened the SOL in 1997
 
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What your saying is that Queen Victoria was a massive lads fan?
Yes... exactly, partly due to her friendship with Jimmy and the fact that my great grandmother thinks she remembered seeing her wearing Charles' red and white scarf!! :D (with rattle in hand obviously)
 
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If Queen Victoria is looking down now on our current situation from the Royal Box in the sky I'm sure you'll be saying "we are not amused"
Actually, that famous quote originated when Hughie Wilson was hacked down in the area by one of the Baggies (known so because of their extremely baggy shorts/trousers)
 
This is a story told to me by my grandmother, whose mother worked in domestic service for the Marquess of Londonderry.

The Marquess of Londonderry (Charles) was a leading politician, aristocrat, local colliery owner, and the owner of Seaham Hall. It was he who officially opened Roker Park on the 10th September 1898.

He associated with royalty, being a contemporary and close friend of the Prince of Wales (Albert).

In the 1890s, football was becoming our national game. Being very proud of Sunderland's new ground, Charles invited his friend Albert (who he knew had recently attended a match at Kennington Oval) to attend a match. Albert agreed to attend the match between Sunderland and West Bromwich Albion to be played on 8th October 1898, but on the clear understanding that it would be a strictly unofficial and private visit.

In late September, the Prince of Wales went to Balmoral to enjoy some hunting and fishing and whilst there, he discovered that the brother of the "gillie" (whose name was Jimmy Wilson) was a Sunderland player (Hughie Wilson). Jimmy had never seen Hughie playing in any football match, so Albert insisted that Jimmy accompanied him to Roker Park. Jimmy was a firm favourite of Queen Victoria who was also holidaying at Balmoral. Apparently, Queen Victoria showed some interest in attending the match, partly because she had never seen how this increasingly popular game was played, but mainly because Jimmy had enthusiastically advocated it, supported by Albert.

The Royal train arrived in Edinburgh on the 5th October, where my great-grandmother's co-worker, a valet whose name I dont recall, had been sent to join the travelling party.

On 7th October, a train arrived at Ryhope Station, met by Charles, his family, and a team of servants. The visit was completely unannounced and kept secret from public knowledge. Staff in service were sworn to secrecy.

Jimmy Wilson stayed in the servant quarters and actually chatted to my great-grandmother, gossiping about all the details of the background to the visit, confirming that Queen Victoria was in the travelling group.

The following day, my great-grandmother witnessed five carriages setting off from Seaham Hall. Amongst the travellers were some of the royal entourage, definitely including Charles, Albert, and Jimmy Wilson.

The carriages returned at about 7pm, although Jimmy was now making his way back to Scotland so did not return to tell further tales. Unfortunately, the two senior domestic staff who travelled were very tight-lipped, so no details of the day's events were ever revealed.

Nevertheless, I have my grandmother's word that Queen Victoria was almost certainly in the party that attended the match with her son the Prince of Wales. It was the only football match she ever attended.

Believe it or not, Sunderland won 2-0.
I’m not ower keen on the royals but I’d love this to be true.
 
Charles was not very popular in the town apparently, especially following a terrible pit disaster in 1891.

I think his grandad (the third marquess) is the subject of the statue (on horseback) in Durham Market Place.

The original Peacock pub in Sunderland which was knocked down to make way for a beautiful new pub building and renamed "The Londonderry" in honour of Charles, is now back to being called the Peacock again, which rightly pleased those with very long memories.

He was also known to be mean but he was kind enough to sell on his estate for future use by potential SAFC signings looking for lavish hospitality and easy money.

By the way it was the Duke of York (Prince Andrew) who officially opened the SOL in 1997

His granda the 3rd marquis He really was hated in the area especially around seaham despite being the pioneer behind the harbour, it is said he was a cruel man who would give his emoyees with one hand quickly taking it back with the other through rent, story is that the money for the statue was left by himself and when he died the people of seaham really didn't want the statue at all but neither did the people in Durham in the end the seaham folk must have won, their is a great painting by burlison in the town hall Durham Market place of the statue unveiling like, and can be seen when the building is open as long as the room is free at the time
 
His granda the 3rd marquis He really was hated in the area especially around seaham despite being the pioneer behind the harbour, it is said he was a cruel man who would give his emoyees with one hand quickly taking it back with the other through rent, story is that the money for the statue was left by himself and when he died the people of seaham really didn't want the statue at all but neither did the people in Durham in the end the seaham folk must have won, their is a great painting by burlison in the town hall Durham Market place of the statue unveiling like, and can be seen when the building is open as long as the room is free at the time

Sorry bit off topic, but think many of us know / should know this famous story (quoting from Northern Echo):

"The sculptor Monti used corroded copper to give the statue its green appearance. According to legend, Monti boasted that he would reward anyone who found fault with the masterpiece. Many rose to the challenge, but no fault was found until a visiting blind man was granted permission to inspect the statue. Hoisted up to the head of the horse, the man inspected it carefully with his hands before announcing to the astonished crowd that he had found a fault. The horse apparently had no tongue. The sculptor was so devastated that he committed suicide. However, this well-known legend does not seem to be true and the horse does appear to have a tongue."

Of course its not true, Monti went on to make that great double save.
 
Sorry bit off topic, but think many of us know / should know this famous story (quoting from Northern Echo):

"The sculptor Monti used corroded copper to give the statue its green appearance. According to legend, Monti boasted that he would reward anyone who found fault with the masterpiece. Many rose to the challenge, but no fault was found until a visiting blind man was granted permission to inspect the statue. Hoisted up to the head of the horse, the man inspected it carefully with his hands before announcing to the astonished crowd that he had found a fault. The horse apparently had no tongue. The sculptor was so devastated that he committed suicide. However, this well-known legend does not seem to be true and the horse does appear to have a tongue."

Of course its not true, Monti went on to make that great double save.

😂😂
A very good myth about the tongue however there's no smoke without fire, there was a fault with the statue (memory fails me what) and whilst raffael monti didn't commit suicide he was driven to drink by his disgrace which killed him many years later
 
Charles was not very popular in the town apparently, especially following a terrible pit disaster in 1891.

I think his grandad (the third marquess) is the subject of the statue (on horseback) in Durham Market Place.

The original Peacock pub in Sunderland which was knocked down to make way for a beautiful new pub building and renamed "The Londonderry" in honour of Charles, is now back to being called the Peacock again, which rightly pleased those with very long memories.

He was also known to be mean but he was kind enough to sell on his estate for future use by potential SAFC signings looking for lavish hospitality and easy money.

By the way it was the Duke of York (Prince Andrew) who officially opened the SOL in 1997
Nuff said
Cursed
 
Shared this story with a mate - he is a bit of a history buff and fan of the royal family. He has provided the following link to Queen Victoria's journal for that day.


So, she either fabricated her journal entry as the whole episode was "top secret" or it didn't happen.

I'd love it if it were true...
 
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