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England v NZ - 3rd ODI

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The ball is doing absolutely nowt, yet we've scored 4 runs off 5 overs :roll:
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We seem to get into far too negative a mindset and imagine the pitch and conditions have all sorts of demons.

If this is Giles' coaching influence, I don't want to watch much more of it.
 
There is simply no way a top 3 of Cook, Bell and Trott should be anywhere near an international ODI team.

We have gone back to the dark days of the 2007 World Cup when we were going with Joyce, Vaughan and Strauss.

Not good, absolutely crying out for KP back but why we have gone for this combination in his absence baffles me, we should have looked for someone positive to replace him at the top of the order, such as Steven Davies, Josh Cobb or even Michael Carberry. Surely you would want someone to fill Pietersen's role and bat with a high strike rate so Cook and Trott can play around them?

And how Bopara is back I don't know, what does James Taylor have to do to get a game? he must average mid 40's in domestic one day cricket.
 
The Breen Machine said:
There is simply no way a top 3 of Cook, Bell and Trott should be anywhere near an international ODI team.

We have gone back to the dark days of the 2007 World Cup when we were going with Joyce, Vaughan and Strauss.

Not good, absolutely crying out for KP back but why we have gone for this combination in his absence baffles me, we should have looked for someone positive to replace him at the top of the order, such as Steven Davies, Josh Cobb or even Michael Carberry. Surely you would want someone to fill Pietersen's role and bat with a high strike rate so Cook and Trott can play around them?

And how Bopara is back I don't know, what does James Taylor have to do to get a game? he must average mid 40's in domestic one day cricket.
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Bell would be better at 4 imo against the spinners in the middle overs with Morgan hitting big at the end.

Trott is just Trott, he will always be part of the ODI team because he scores runs (usually).

Cook is the captain so has to play.

I'd like to see Cook open with KP (when fit) personally. Trott at 3, Bell 4, Morgan 5, Prior 6. Bresnan 7, Swann 8, Broad 9, Anderson & Finn.

Looks abit light on batting so maybe a Luke Wright instead of Bresnan? Sick of Bopara getting chance after chance.

Good to see Tredwell playing though - always does a canny job for England.
 
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Safc_Luke said:
Bell would be better at 4 imo against the spinners in the middle overs with Morgan hitting big at the end.

Trott is just Trott, he will always be part of the ODI team because he scores runs (usually).

Cook is the captain so has to play.

I'd like to see Cook open with KP personally. Trott at 3, Bell 4, Morgan 5, Prior 6.
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I just wouldn't play Bell at all, 2 hundreds in 130 ODI's, he's the same as Prior and Bopara for me, too many chances, inconsistent and doesn't offer anything different.

Trott is fine at 3 if there's players around him who can score quickly. His record speaks for itself and you need someone solid and dependable like him for when the flash harry's don't come off.

I think Buttler is a position high at 6 too, problem being if he bats at 7, you need a batsman who can bowl and there's no outstanding candidates.

The balance of this team has been all wrong this series IMO.
 
England are playing 1970's One-Day cricket, solid at the top, tick over and don't lose wickets so they can have a hit later.

The game has moved on.

You need power to clear the inner field at the top of the order, bats to tick over in the middle, and hitters at the end. This Champions Trophy is going to be embarrassing.
 
Steak Pie said:
England are playing 1970's One-Day cricket, solid at the top, tick over and don't lose wickets so they can have a hit later.

The game has moved on.

You need power to clear the inner field at the top of the order, bats to tick over in the middle, and hitters at the end. This Champions Trophy is going to be embarrassing.
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Exactly right, we are trying to get to the last 10 overs and hope Buttler, who averages 9 at ODI level, can moose it all over.

We seem to be taking a huge step backwards when we have plenty of hitters in county cricket who could be worth a try.
 
Our top 3 is not a ODI quality such as has been proved by this start by new zealand.

yes they score runs but too f***ing slowly every team needs a pinch hitter from the off in one day cricket these days
 
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Yet another wicket we made look like a minefield

That top 3 isnt going to set teh ODI world alight mind, far too defensive
 
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England got away with it this time after a couple of mental innings at the death, but this start from New Zealand should show them how it's done.
 
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