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England v India - Third Test, 10/07

It’s going to be very hot all test so if stokes has anything about him , he has to bat first on winning the toss

Then obviously after the power play when we are two or three down , root and brook need to bat all day and make them sweat

Fielding first is a recipe for another defeat imo
 

Parkside said:
Mind reader to add to your many talents? I'm simply arguing that imo loyalty is being stretched too far in recent selections. Purely personal opinion.
Thought you were better than to question posters intellect with "put your head in gear" and"stop being an @rse".
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Thats because there is massive difference between loyalty been stretched which is clearly a wider principle of this regime for a number of years and a ‘ECB clique’ something else your probably know despite your incredibly weak argument to link the two.

If you said loyalty was been too stretched in the first place that would have a fine and credible argument, but you didn’t you linked that with similar to clique which is nonsense
 
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GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
Yup 100%. Absolutely rife within the ECB. No other reason why Crawley would be in the team. I'm on the fence with Bashir at the moment but I'd have Crawley nowhere near Durham, never mind England.
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Crawley is certainly nothing to write home about. He’s not been the relative success that Duckett has. And he has probably just about come to the end of his chances. I’d like to see them look at options. But he still has a better test average than the other three openers from the fag end of the Root era, Burns, Sibley and Lees. The cupboard is pretty bare.
 
I hope England win but both tests we’ve played the game from way behind

Last one we got found out and should really have been able to bat out a day for a draw

Inserting and conceding way over 450 is a recipe for defeat

We don’t seem to have any plan to get gill or pant out which is all on the coaching staff and if they do have a plan, its not being delivered by the bowlers to date

Apart from bowling half track bouncers hoping to get caught on the boundary

The one player I think we can bowl half track bouncers at is Jaiswal but over the wicket aiming for his armpit

Instead they go around the wicket and he just lets them go by
 
I get the criticism of Pope fwiw, feels like he’s never really nailed his position down

However, averages 42.39 at 3 from 52 innings. 8 tons.

Crawley averages 30.33 opening. 89 innings. 4 tons

Do stats tell the full story always? No.
 
Ghfd said:
I hope England win but both tests we’ve played the game from way behind

Last one we got found out and should really have been able to bat out a day for a draw

Inserting and conceding way over 450 is a recipe for defeat

We don’t seem to have any plan to get gill or pant out which is all on the coaching staff and if they do have a plan, its not being delivered by the bowlers to date

Apart from bowling half track bouncers hoping to get caught on the boundary

The one player I think we can bowl half track bouncers at is Jaiswal but over the wicket aiming for his armpit

Instead they go around the wicket and he just lets them go by
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Shusshhhhh we're not allowed to criticise the master tactician 🤫
 
TheRey said:
Shusshhhhh we're not allowed to criticise the master tactician 🤫
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First test I understood his reasoning but the last test was abysmal and invitee the defeat

We should have batted basically as soon as bumrah was out and put their lads under pressure

If he wins the toss tomorrow with the tropical heat expected and fields, then I suspect it will be Saturday before England bat
 
Fleagle said:
Crawley is certainly nothing to write home about. He’s not been the relative success that Duckett has. And he has probably just about come to the end of his chances. I’d like to see them look at options. But he still has a better test average than the other three openers from the fag end of the Root era, Burns, Sibley and Lees. The cupboard is pretty bare.
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It's fair to argue that both Hameed and Sibley have improved and expanded their game since. They were both young when they were selected and discarded.
 
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Ghfd said:
It’s going to be very hot all test so if stokes has anything about him , he has to bat first on winning the toss

Then obviously after the power play when we are two or three down , root and brook need to bat all day and make them sweat

Fielding first is a recipe for another defeat imo
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If it’s going to be hot all five days, then I don’t think it makes terribly much difference when you bat, as you are going to need to bat when it’s hot and bowl when it’s hot. And to win the match, you’re going to need to get more runs than the other team when it’s hot. Or if you prefer, bowl them out for less than you get when it’s hot.

And Lord’s is pretty 50-50 in recent years when it comes to whether you’re most likely to win or lose batting fourth. It’s not statistically weighted in favour of insertion like Headingley or Trent Bridge. But nor is it one that clearly favours batting first.

All that to me says this is a call to make on the morning, based on a view of the pitch and short term conditions and on your gut, not to prejudge.
 
Fleagle said:
If it’s going to be hot all five days, then I don’t think it makes terribly much difference when you bat, as you are going to need to bat when it’s hot and bowl when it’s hot. And to win the match, you’re going to need to get more runs than the other team when it’s hot. Or if you prefer, bowl them out for less than you get when it’s hot.

And Lord’s is pretty 50-50 in recent years when it comes to whether you’re most likely to win or lose batting fourth. It’s not statistically weighted in favour of insertion like Headingley or Trent Bridge. But nor is it one that clearly favours batting first.

All that to me says this is a call to make on the morning, based on a view of the pitch and short term conditions and on your gut, not to prejudge.
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I think batting first and long first innings will win the game

Archer barely played , Woakes who looked innocuous last match, stokes and bashir with Carse carrying an injury

If we bowl first India will be looking to bat for two days and be miles ahead in the game

To win this we have to bat first
 
Ghfd said:
I think batting first and long first innings will win the game

Archer barely played , Woakes who looked innocuous last match, stokes and bashir with Carse carrying an injury

If we bowl first India will be looking to bat for two days and be miles ahead in the game

To win this we have to bat first
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We should have batted first last game totally agree stubborn decision
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
I get the criticism of Pope fwiw, feels like he’s never really nailed his position down

However, averages 42.39 at 3 from 52 innings. 8 tons.

Crawley averages 30.33 opening. 89 innings. 4 tons

Do stats tell the full story always? No.
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They don’t, but there is a particular reason, fortunately for Pope and England, why we can absorb Pope’s feast or famine record and get the full benefit of his average. And that reason is Joe Root. Whose head is in such a place that he can play a superb number three innings whenever demanded so long as he does so while batting at number four. So when Pope delivers feast, we’re grand. And when Pope delivers famine, we usually fine anyway because Root does the business instead. This team doesn’t need the traditional solid number three in quite the usual way because it has the backup solid number three.
 
Fleagle said:
They don’t, but there is a particular reason, fortunately for Pope and England, why we can absorb Pope’s feast or famine record and get the full benefit of his average. And that reason is Joe Root. Whose head is in such a place that he can play a superb number three innings whenever demanded so long as he does so while batting at number four. So when Pope delivers feast, we’re grand. And when Pope delivers famine, we usually fine anyway because Root does the business instead. This team doesn’t need the traditional solid number three in quite the usual way because it has the backup solid number three.
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Good assessment. I still think Pope needs to do more, but I would stick with him for now
 
Fleagle said:
They don’t, but there is a particular reason, fortunately for Pope and England, why we can absorb Pope’s feast or famine record and get the full benefit of his average. And that reason is Joe Root. Whose head is in such a place that he can play a superb number three innings whenever demanded so long as he does so while batting at number four. So when Pope delivers feast, we’re grand. And when Pope delivers famine, we usually fine anyway because Root does the business instead. This team doesn’t need the traditional solid number three in quite the usual way because it has the backup solid number three.
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By that logic anyone could be slotted into three as long as root is playing

Why not smith who looks to have a better current technique to pope ?

Pope is off balance all the time and getting bowled and lbw
 
Parkside said:
It's fair to argue that both Hameed and Sibley have improved and expanded their game since. They were both young when they were selected and discarded.
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At least those two score runs in the County Championship. Crawley doesn’t even do that in Division 2.

IIRC he was dismissed for a single digit score in the first innings of every CC game he played this season.
 
Voice of fair play said:
We should have batted first last game totally agree stubborn decision
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Probably. But even then, but for two umpires calls (also known as “out”), it’s 20-3 and a whole different complexion on the decision and the course of the match.
Ghfd said:
By that logic anyone could be slotted into three as long as root is playing

Why not smith who looks to have a better current technique to pope ?

Pope is off balance all the time and getting bowled and lbw
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I wasn’t really meaning that, I was just saying you do get the benefit of his 40+ average. But Smith could be a good call too.
 
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