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England v India - Third Test, 10/07


Durham-Mackem41 said:
Leach, Atkinson if he was fit Archer and with the squad given Cook ago I place of Woakes to see it he’s good enough don’t think he is but have to try.

Woakes has been awful bar one spell and I dint think Carse can make it if 2 games is all it takes for his feet to have issues already.
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And would it be reasonable for someone to look at your team with Cook, Atkinson who is just returning and also saying it was an awful selection? That's the problem here we don't have bowlers that are either good enough or fit enough.
 
rentaghost said:
And would it be reasonable for someone to look at your team with Cook, Atkinson who is just returning and also saying it was an awful selection? That's the problem here we don't have bowlers that are either good enough or fit enough.
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Maybe mate but Atkinson has been decent. Woakes has been really good over here but looks a shadow of the bowler 2 years ago in the ashes.

He won’t tour this winter, plus I find it hard to forgive his pathetic dismissal when smith was set. Knowing it was a new ball pitch.

Agreed this one of the poorest crop of bowlers in my near 40 years of watching cricket.

And if you prepare a helpful seamers pitch it exposes the numerous flaws in the batting like up.
 
It’s still mad to think England have never gone back to Dawson at any point in the last few years.

A bloke who knows his game inside out and can hold up an end for the quick bowlers whilst being able to contribute runs at number 8. Literally a ready made replacement for Moeen and we’ve instead gone with the right arm Sulieman Benn because he has a high release point.
 
Durham-Mackem41 said:
Maybe mate but Atkinson has been decent. Woakes has been really good over here but looks a shadow of the bowler 2 years ago in the ashes.

He won’t tour this winter, plus I find it hard to forgive his pathetic dismissal when smith was set. Knowing it was a new ball pitch.

Agreed this one of the poorest crop of bowlers in my near 40 years of watching cricket.

And if you prepare a helpful seamers pitch it exposes the numerous flaws in the batting like up.
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And probably helps Bumrah, Siraj even more.
Dexter said:
It’s still mad to think England have never gone back to Dawson at any point in the last few years.

A bloke who knows his game inside out and can hold up an end for the quick bowlers whilst being able to contribute runs at number 8. Literally a ready made replacement for Moeen and we’ve instead gone with the right arm Sulieman Benn because he has a high release point.
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I agree - if you haven't got a spinner good enough at least get one that can bat and field :lol:
 
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GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
Within the ECB circle/clique/setup yes I fully believe that
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Really!

You genuinely believe international teams especially with born winner like Stokes are based of clique.



If you joking fair enough if serious you genuinely deluded and a bit sad tbh

Take Bashir for example I think he should be no where near the side imo, but you think he in the side because of ECB circle?
 
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Voice of fair play said:
Really!

You genuinely believe international teams especially with born winner like Stokes are based of clique.



If you joking fair enough if serious you genuinely deluded and a bit sad tbh

Take Bashir for example I think he should be no where near the side imo, but you think he in the side because of ECB circle?
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Yup 100%. Absolutely rife within the ECB. No other reason why Crawley would be in the team. I'm on the fence with Bashir at the moment but I'd have Crawley nowhere near Durham, never mind England.
 
GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
Yup 100%. Absolutely rife within the ECB. No other reason why Crawley would be in the team. I'm on the fence with Bashir at the moment but I'd have Crawley nowhere near Durham, never mind England.
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So they not picking what they rightly think is the best team to win games?

Just friends or cliques???

Not sure what clique Bashir would be?

Think the majority including myself think Crawley and Bashir should be replaced, but you genuinely of your trolley if you think they in some clique.

Maybe it because they is lack of alternative in them two positions just a thought rather than paranoid nonsense
 
Voice of fair play said:
So they not picking what they rightly think is the best team to win games?

Just friends or cliques???

Not sure what clique Bashir would be?

Think the majority including myself think Crawley and Bashir should be replaced, but you genuinely of your trolley if you think they in some clique.

Maybe it because they is lack of alternative in them two positions just a thought rather than paranoid nonsense
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That's my opinion. Never in a million years is Crawley the best option. There has to be another reason. I'm on the fence with Bashir, don't really rate him and Sir Alistair Cook has a valid opinion I don't believe many could disagree with. There are plenty alternatives to Crawley and also to Bashir.
 
GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
That's my opinion. Never in a million years is Crawley the best option. There has to be another reason. I'm on the fence with Bashir, don't really rate him and Sir Alistair Cook has a valid opinion I don't believe many could disagree with. There are plenty alternatives to Crawley and also to Bashir.
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Hway mate put your head in gear.

Always thought you decent supporter and extremely loyal Durham follower.

You can’t seriously believe Stokes sits down with Key and Luke Wright round the table for a selectors meeting.

And someone says to Stokes we have to select x player cause he in the clique???

I mean FFS
 
Voice of fair play said:
Hway mate put your head in gear.

Always thought you decent supporter and extremely loyal Durham follower.

You can’t seriously believe Stokes sits down with Key and Luke Wright round the table for a selectors meeting.

And someone says to Stokes we have to select x player cause he in the clique???

I mean FFS
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Just my opinion. I am at a loss to fathom out any other justifiable reason why Crawley would be in the side. It's concerning judgement these people think we have nothing better than Crawley. I hope he comes good but as it stands he's simply not good enough and it's concerning selectors believe he's our best option. Id be angry if he was opening for Durham. I'll not be the only one on here questioning it if people were honest and I'm sure a lot on here will agree the ECB is absolutely rife with cliques, always had been. I'd love to hear from a selector to justifiably explain why they think Crawley is the best option as opener for England currently in July 2025, would genuinely be interested to hear that view.
 
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Voice of fair play said:
Hway mate put your head in gear.

Always thought you decent supporter and extremely loyal Durham follower.

You can’t seriously believe Stokes sits down with Key and Luke Wright round the table for a selectors meeting.

And someone says to Stokes we have to select x player cause he in the clique???

I mean FFS
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Depends how you interpret clique i.e. A closely bonded group. It's a fine line between being extremely loyal and hence becoming a clique. Likewise confidence easily creeps into over confidence which becomes arrogance.
Many who have expressed concerns about this have put their head in gear. Perhaps it's those who can't see these shortcomings that need to put their head in gear.
 
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GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
Just my opinion. I am at a loss to fathom out any other justifiable reason why Crawley would be in the side. It's concerning judgement these people think we have nothing better than Crawley. I hope he comes good but as it stands he's simply not good enough and it's concerning selectors believe he's our best option. Id be angry if he was opening for Durham. I'll not be the only one on here questioning it if people were honest and I'm sure a lot on here will agree the ECB is absolutely rife with cliques, always had been.
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In fairness to the selectors there’s been plenty of others tried, all of whom have an average lower than Crawley.

Even now the options seem to be to go back to Sibley, Lees, Hameed or a completely unproven Bethell. He’s also the perfect foil for Duckett at the other end and forces bowlers to completely changes their lines and lengths as the two batsmen are chalk and cheese.
 
Dexter said:
In fairness to the selectors there’s been plenty of others tried, all of whom have an average lower than Crawley.

Even now the options seem to be to go back to Sibley, Lees, Hameed or a completely unproven Bethell. He’s also the perfect foil for Duckett at the other end and forces bowlers to completely changes their lines and lengths as the two batsmen are chalk and cheese.
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Aye, ones class and the other is dogshite.
 
Let’s be honest here about Crawley

Does anyone think the likes of Bumrah, Cummins, hazlewood or starc have any concerns when they see him opening ?

He was in the back pockets of southee and Boult a few years back

He’s a walking wicket who scores big once a series
 
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