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England v India - Third Test, 10/07


Nasser Butt-Head said:
DRS has helped massively for modern bowlers averages imo.

That's why it hard comparing people from different eras. Even with something as objective as bowling averages.
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I don’t know like I reckon it probably balances out the amount of shockers that were given back in the day.

I still love seeing the clips of when England toured Sri Lanka and the umpires just giving any old shite out.

Absolute comedy gold this man :lol:

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Dexter said:
I don’t know like I reckon it probably balances out the amount of shockers that were given back in the day.

I still love seeing the clips of when England toured Sri Lanka and the umpires just giving any old shite out.

Absolute comedy gold this man :lol:

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Remember when Nass had a huge run of bad luck/poor decisions going against him :lol:

must have owed the umps a fiver!

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rentaghost said:
Seems harsh. No issue on the Pant situation and also agree that if they allowed it for illness it would get abused by players. I suppose muscle strain situations could lead to players taking the piss also.

This is my view also. I saw Shoaib at Durham get 4 wickets in an over (I think) against Somerset at Durham. Long run, sweating profusely and stumps flying everywhere. He was box office.
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Aye seen recently the ICC were bringing in a proper sub trial soon for all injuries.

Defs always been an unfair thing about cricket the being a bowler/batsman down due to injury.

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Markram on the England honours board is a weird one like!

Home team in a neutral venue 🤔

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Inside Forward said:
Ha’way lads. Couple of quick wickets and we’ll be on top.
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Yep, very evenly poised.

A couple of quick wickets or a big partnership from them can swing it.

Hopefully we can get amongst them. Looking forward to Archer steaming in again. It was noticeable that his speed dropped as the session went on though. Hopefully that's just him easing himself into tests again.

What did Bashir bowl like? I didn't watch it. Did he get some turn/bounce or even trouble the batters?
 
dangermows said:
Why do you think that looks illegal though? To throw you need to bend it then straighten it dont you? I'm not saying he doesn't, and his action does draw attention, but that pic certainly doesn't suggest any wrong doing at all.
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Mate haway man :lol:. I've got to get ready for game later. There is a great article on fast bowling.

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The fast bowling action is a unique skill. It differs from over-arm throwing because, according to The Laws of Cricket, the ball must be delivered without any straightening of the elbow after the arm has reached the height of the shoulder in the delivery swing. In comparison, baseball pitching, for example, relies on rotation at the shoulder joint with the elbow flexed and then straightening up to the point of release as a vital mechanism for the production of ball speed. Cricketers, therefore, need to find a different solution in order to bowl fast.

Love that last bit...

There's a couple of things I don't like about Bumrahs action and it kind of relates to the above paragraph from that article..

It comes down to personal taste especially when he has been cleared, deemed legal and fit to play as his action comes within the margins set by governing body. They say he doesn't chuck it. However that doesn't mean there isn't a legitimate question to ask about the validity of his action. Or that everyone have to wax lyrical about him. There can be grey areas where some players reside. So when we talk about players in the top bracket, top echelon players, imo we can't include players in these grey areas when doing so.

The things I don't like about his action...

It's too different and unconventional. I unfortunately prefer more regular repeatable actions to fully appreciate him.

His run up is too short, something is letting him generate good pace and accuracy without having to put the yards in.

His arm is too straight throughout delivery atride, it should only straighten when releasing ball

He then straightens too much but under 15*

His release point his too far forward compared to other players. Meaning its a shorter distance to batter.

I'm sorry if I haven't answered your question fully though.
 
Nasser Butt-Head said:
DRS has helped massively for modern bowlers averages imo.

That's why it hard comparing people from different eras. Even with something as objective as bowling averages.
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True enough. I don’t think that is a strong argument when comparing someone with an average of 18 to one of 30 though. Bumrah’s average relative to players in this area with the same advantages of DRS is phenomenal. Lee’s record even relative to players of his era was moderate at best. It is definitely a very valid point when comparing Bumrah to the greats of the past although DRS aside there is often arguments made that it’s more of a batsmen’s game these days.
 
Gus Fraser was like an English McGrath but always looked knackered :lol:
Headley looked like he was going to take 300 wickets until his early retirement...Mullally on the other hand ;)...canny ODI bowler though.
 
mackembhoy said:
Aye seen recently the ICC were bringing in a proper sub trial soon for all injuries.

Defs always been an unfair thing about cricket the being a bowler/batsman down due to injury.

Also

Markram on the England honours board is a weird one like!

Home team in a neutral venue 🤔

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Bit strange that they’ve put Markram on the English honours board
 
Mr Redknapp said:
Gus Fraser was like an English McGrath but always looked knackered :lol:
Headley looked like he was going to take 300 wickets until his early retirement...Mullally on the other hand ;)...canny ODI bowler though.
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Just thinking back to around then , that Syd Lawrence could have been up there as a wicket taker for England

Rip big man he was such a whole hearted and committed player
 
Ghfd said:
Just thinking back to around then , that Syd Lawrence could have been up there as a wicket taker for England

Rip big man he was such a whole hearted and committed player
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Devon Malcolm could rip the heart out of a batting order, think it was Steve Waugh said they couldn't believe it when England didn't pick him and they were relieved..Dad loved him too and he was spot on with how to captain him, the problem with Athers using him was he used him as a stock bowler instead of giving him a few over bursts.
SuperSub said:
Pretty underrated, especially when you consider he was around in the 90s when England cricket was a mess. Probably would have made a decent T20 career aswell if he came around a decade or so later.
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He was around at the start of it but his knees were made of pringles by then ;)
 
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Dexter said:
I don’t know like I reckon it probably balances out the amount of shockers that were given back in the day.

I still love seeing the clips of when England toured Sri Lanka and the umpires just giving any old shite out.

Absolute comedy gold this man :lol:

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Jesus :lol: thank god for DRS. For all it's perceived faults. That sort of shit umpiring is a thing of the past.

I mean there were some right shockers in that clip like. Worse than the LB's pitching 4ft outside leg stump were the bat pads that weren't given. How Nass stood there with a straight face for a couple of them, I don't know :lol:
 
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