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Lonz said:
Because people make mistakes in any profession, business, walk of life. Putting his hand in his pocket to finance our spending is a decision. Are you just here to let off some steam or to say with the benefit of hindsight that he's a rubbish owner because we're struggling again?

I find it amazing how so many people think it's easy to make a club progress. Football is all relative. It's a league. There are 19 other teams trying to do exactly the same as us an only a certain amount of resources available to achieve that.

He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. How do you think it would have gone down if we'd "lived within our means" and gone down anyway? He'd have been slated for not putting his money in his pocket, of course.
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It hasn't so much been mistakes that he has been making though - year in, year out, he has got it wrong. Put it another way - what do you think are the big things that Ellis Short has got right in his time here? His managerial appointments (every one of which has been sacked within 18 months)? Performances on the pitch? Appointing Roberto De Fanti and Lee Congerton as Directors of Football? The continued financial losses? The failure to build the worldwide brand that he was bollocksing on about? The performance of the Academy? The reduction in commercial income?

It's not about letting off steam - I think that Ellis Short is absolutely f***ing clueless when it comes to what is required to run a football club. I don't think he understands football, I don't think he knows how to build a worldwide brand, I don't think he knows how to build a sustainable model for the development of the football club for the future. And why should he? He has no track record of success in any of that. But his failure to appoint anyone who does understand football is desperately bad judgment.
 

safc_grindon said:
So you're prepared to hound the man out - mag bedsheet style - on the off-chance that someone might be there?

You see, the onus is actually on you to come up with prospective buyers - if you don't, then what's the point in even talking about Short leaving? He doesn't 'leave' - he needs to be bought out. By who?

This sack the board shit is pointless in today's game - you can't get rid of 'local businessman, made a few quid in town' and replace him with similar, because those types of chairman aren't the ones running clubs now. Not at this level. It's oil, gas, hedge funds and the like kind of people. Billionaires. The days of 'owns a car showroom on Hylton road' men are long gone.

Asking the owner to go is futile unless you have someone that A) has the money to buy him out and B) money invest.

So, yes - name them. Or end of discussion.
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I'll continue to discuss whatever I like. Whether we can find a new owner or not he deserves criticism.

He is not managing the club properly. Regardless of his backing we have yet to make a profit, instead squandering money on awful players. Appointing average managers and then having to pay off their contracts. The academy too is not helping to support the first team.

Short may be an owner, he may not have a hands on role but he is the one who appoints the board members to run our club and they too are failing us.

Thomas Hearns said:
Are we talking about the Ellis Short of lone star the sherwed ruthless business man who as made millions from hedge funds, buying ailing business and asset stripping or the aulteristic one who bought an ailing football club from the north and ploughs his hard earned money into it with no return?
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The money is pointless if it's wasted on shite players and average managers.
 
Lanchesterredandwhite said:
It hasn't so much been mistakes that he has been making though - year in, year out, he has got it wrong. Put it another way - what do you think are the big things that Ellis Short has got right in his time here? His managerial appointments (every one of which has been sacked within 18 months)? Performances on the pitch? Appointing Roberto De Fanti and Lee Congerton as Directors of Football? The continued financial losses? The failure to build the worldwide brand that he was bollocksing on about? The performance of the Academy? The reduction in commercial income?

It's not about letting off steam - I think that Ellis Short is absolutely f***ing clueless when it comes to what is required to run a football club. I don't think he understands football, I don't think he knows how to build a worldwide brand, I don't think he knows how to build a sustainable model for the development of the football club for the future. And why should he? He has no track record of success in any of that. But his failure to appoint anyone who does understand football is desperately bad judgment.
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We've had continued Premier League football for 8 seasons. As much as people don't like it being mentioned, we had 10th place finish with Bruce. These are all huge positives compared the past 50 years. I'm constantly reminded by my father that we played a hell of a long time in the second tier and even third tier of football in that time.

He's tried setting the club up to sustain itself for the long run without having to go begging to the owner for cash if it needs be.

I wouldn't put it as a positive, but he's actually largely acted with what the fans have wanted. Now at this point I'd have disagreed with his actions. I feel he should stuck to the manager a couple of times to see their time out. There's a difference between responsibility and blame. He's hired managers who have had good footballing track records but he's not let them see the job through when it looks like we might go down. What I'd say he has failed to do is find someone trustworthy to deal with transfers. He obviously want to give the DOF model a go but we've appalling in that department. Defoe aside, our transfer windows have shocking since Di Canio. That's the main reason we're in the situation we're in. The players aren't good enough, and the footballing heads aren't given the time to look at the medium term let alone the long term.

I don't think he's free from any responsibility at all, but for people to call him a "cancer" is really wide of the mark.

Who else would we have in instead? Who or what's the alternative? No one has provided an answer to that question.
 
I used to defend Bob Murray against people who accused him of not caring and not trying. He was just a terrible decision maker. I'll defend Ellis Short for the same reasons. But fuck me, he really has spunked some money and great opportunities.
 
He's made a right mess of the recruitment, from the very top down, having chased anyone who understands football at all.

The fact he gave his mate's son a high level job speaks volumes.
 
Lonz said:
We've had continued Premier League football for 8 seasons.
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For the past three we've eeked out survival, just barely.....based on the insane idea that repeatedly sacking managers is a good way to run a football club as it does enough to keep the tv money rolling in. People keep trying to spin it as 8 wonderful years of stability.

His performance in almost every aspect is shocking and those escapes are now looking like a stay of execution.

gipetto said:
I'll continue to discuss whatever I like. Whether we can find a new owner or not he deserves criticism.

He is not managing the club properly. Regardless of his backing we have yet to make a profit, instead squandering money on awful players. Appointing average managers and then having to pay off their contracts. The academy too is not helping to support the first team.

Short may be an owner, he may not have a hands on role but he is the one who appoints the board members to run our club and they too are failing us.



The money is pointless if it's wasted on shite players and average managers.
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A novice lawyer and an ex barman are on our board of directors. I don't think you need to look much deeper than that to see he hasn't a clue what he's doing......but if you really want to, RDF is a good place to start.

It's idiotic to try and run a business the size of a premierhsip football club with inexperienced, under-qualified people in key positions. Even if they're really nice.
 
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Banks said:
So he deliberately signs shite :lol:

Heard it all now
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No but he has to power to stop the shit being bought. Has he seen some of the shit JOS served up today cos if he has and continues to go ahead and allow the idiots on his behalf to give that fuker a 2 year contract extension

.......well it says it all

His decisions have us in the mess we find ourselves in his alone.
 
Baccyboozenbullets said:
No but he has to power to stop the shit being bought. Has he seen some of the shit JOS served up today cos if he has and continues to go ahead and allow the idiots on his behalf to give that fuker a 2 year contract extension

.......well it says it all

His decisions have us in the mess we find ourselves in his alone.
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You want the owner to start dictating who we do or don't sign?
 
sksk3021 said:
You want the owner to start dictating who we do or don't sign?
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No mate thats not what I want at all. But do you believe that its good business sense to give a 33yr old man a two year contract if true? I want Short as custodian of our club to look at things like this and realise these decisions have us in this mess to start with. Football wise we are being run or at the least Short is being ill advised by a bunch of chancers now I say that lightly as we have some very well educated people rrunning the club but unfortunately looking from the outside to the inside not many if any no howw to run a PL football club.
 
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We stayed up last year through an absolute miracle - in the words of our manager. So what did the bloke at the top do? Well he ploughed on as if nothing had happened of course. Nothing changed whatsoever. Our squad didn't improve, no new coaches/manager, nothing changed at boardroom level, nothing. What the fuck did he expect to happen this season? He obviously had ambitions to fight relegation all season again. Not acceptable.

More ambitious supporters would be demanding answers by now. Not us though.
 
Baccyboozenbullets said:
No but he has to power to stop the shit being bought. Has he seen some of the shit JOS served up today cos if he has and continues to go ahead and allow the idiots on his behalf to give that fuker a 2 year contract extension

.......well it says it all

His decisions have us in the mess we find ourselves in his alone.
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If jos was 25 I wouldn't give him a contract extension
 
MikeSAFC said:
If jos was 25 I wouldn't give him a contract extension
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Like the rest mate he will still be with us for the new season and as we have seen today and previous games gone by it'll be the same mistakes. The only thing keeping me intrested is the boy still wants to go the match but like i said in another thread I will not be parting with £400 pound this new season he's grandad can take him.
 
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