Ellis Short Out

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And your in a position to know who prospective candidates are because?
 


Some supporters need to get a grip we could be like Leeds and Blackpool, Short has spent a bucket load on and off field to make sure the club is financially stable, he spends 20m odd on transfers per year compared to the 5m odd we used to spend, he has hired and backed successive managers with transfer funds and the power to run like a proper manager without interference,He trusted the managers to do a job, not Shorts fault that they wasted so much cash, yet we all still complain and blame Short for the position on the ladder we are in.


No one else wants to buy the club, players dont want to be in the North East so we have to spend overs to get any type of quality, this team probably would kill most other Sunderland teams of the past 20 years, yet some say we are shite

Supporters need to value how lucky we really are having that financially stability no point doing a Portsmouth winning a cup and spending next 10 years in 3 and 4 tier football.
 
Tasman said:
Some supporters need to get a grip we could be like Leeds and Blackpool, Short has spent a bucket load on and off field to make sure the club is financially stable, he spends 20m odd on transfers per year compared to the 5m odd we used to spend, he has hired and backed successive managers with transfer funds and the power to run like a proper manager without interference,He trusted the managers to do a job, not Shorts fault that they wasted so much cash, yet we all still complain and blame Short for the position on the ladder we are in.


No one else wants to buy the club, players dont want to be in the North East so we have to spend overs to get any type of quality, this team probably would kill most other Sunderland teams of the past 20 years, yet some say we are shite

Supporters need to value how lucky we really are having that financially stability no point doing a Portsmouth winning a cup and spending next 10 years in 3 and 4 tier football.
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Bunkum.We are one of the biggest clubs in the country who should be a regular,established top 8 club if we were run correctly.
 
NOMOREFALSEDAWNS said:
Bunkum.We are one of the biggest clubs in the country who should be a regular,established top 8 club if we were run correctly.
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History means fuck all though, sadly. It's all about money. Money. Money. Money.

And we're 11th in turnover

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/01/premier-league-accounts-club-by-club-david-conn

We may piss on the likes of Southampton and West Brom historically but their turnover are strikingly similar. West Ham have fuck all on us but we trail them and that gap will only increase when they move stadiums
 
Peaknutt said:
History means fuck all though, sadly. It's all about money. Money. Money. Money.

And we're 11th in turnover

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/01/premier-league-accounts-club-by-club-david-conn

We may piss on the likes of Southampton and West Brom historically but their turnover are strikingly similar. West Ham have fuck all on us but we trail them and that gap will only increase when they move stadiums
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But there's no doubt you have the ability to do he best you can with what you've got, and we've done horribly lately. Look at Everton.

Our transfer history over the last 5 years tells the story. It's a horror story. Transfers are as big a part of the managers job as tactics. And Short has consistently picked managers who have been horrible at transfers.
 
Crammy Mackem said:
Bed wetting seems to be the popular term for people who won't allow criticism of anything SAFC.

Stoke and Swansea were the ONLY games we have looked relatively good in.

Lucky to get a point at WBA and played Man U at a good side. Crap at QPR and Burnley then should have been hammered by Spurs. Awful against Southamptom and again today.

We haven't got a settled side nor do we have any kind of game plan other than keeping the ball and passing across rather than forwards.
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That's all we did yesterday, no urgency, no ambition, no will to win. As under MoN, the team is set up not to lose because we haven't got the players required to win a game. Our only creative player (Johnson) gets subbed every week.

Even when we had sight of the goal, our players didn't know what to do and just passed sideways again, much to the frustration of the crowd.

We were never going to score in those circumstances, so the best we could hope for was nil nil. But them we had to gift them 2 goals.

We were under the cosh for so long in the first that the woman in front of me used opera glasses to watch the game as one half of the pitch was deserted. Our only entertainment was to watch Wenger as he got frustrated at the ref for allowing us to have the ball.
 
Flash Gordon said:
The club has last money every single year whilst Short has been in charge and according to the report and accounts, he has took nothing out.

So where is he making this money and so many people think he is taking out of the club? Are you suggesting that the report and accounts are fraudulent?



It's amazing that people keep spouting the same ill-informed nonsense without backing it up.
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f***ing boring twats
 
NOMOREFALSEDAWNS said:
Bunkum.We are one of the biggest clubs in the country who should be a regular,established top 8 club if we were run correctly.
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We are not one of the top 8 clubs - we haven't been for over 70 years

Unashamedly Handsome said:
Nah, someone would step into the void. :)
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Who, give me 3 actual names

Peaknutt said:
History means fuck all though, sadly. It's all about money. Money. Money. Money.

And we're 11th in turnover

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/01/premier-league-accounts-club-by-club-david-conn

We may piss on the likes of Southampton and West Brom historically but their turnover are strikingly similar. West Ham have fuck all on us but we trail them and that gap will only increase when they move stadiums
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Not to mention their geographic advantage

ozcat said:
But there's no doubt you have the ability to do he best you can with what you've got, and we've done horribly lately. Look at Everton.

Our transfer history over the last 5 years tells the story. It's a horror story. Transfers are as big a part of the managers job as tactics. And Short has consistently picked managers who have been horrible at transfers.
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It's because no players want to come to us!
 
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Tasman said:
Some supporters need to get a grip we could be like Leeds and Blackpool, Short has spent a bucket load on and off field to make sure the club is financially stable, he spends 20m odd on transfers per year compared to the 5m odd we used to spend, he has hired and backed successive managers with transfer funds and the power to run like a proper manager without interference,He trusted the managers to do a job, not Shorts fault that they wasted so much cash, yet we all still complain and blame Short for the position on the ladder we are in.


No one else wants to buy the club, players dont want to be in the North East so we have to spend overs to get any type of quality, this team probably would kill most other Sunderland teams of the past 20 years, yet some say we are shite

Supporters need to value how lucky we really are having that financially stability no point doing a Portsmouth winning a cup and spending next 10 years in 3 and 4 tier football.
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Absolute shite - in fact its the other way around.

In the last five years our total net spend is £28m. Almost bang on the £5m figure you mention we 'used to spend'. A lot of fans have somehow bought into this myth that he puts huge resources into transfers every year.
 
Lanchesterredandwhite said:
Absolute shite - in fact its the other way around.

In the last five years our total net spend is £28m. Almost bang on the £5m figure you mention we 'used to spend'. A lot of fans have somehow bought into this myth that he puts huge resources into transfers every year.
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It isn't just transfers though is it?
The club would not be a going concern without the financial backing of Ellis Short.
I am pleased we are heading towards being self sufficient.
 
and there is a queue of billionaires just waiting to buy a team in the NE ....not .... just look at the clowns up the road and the fun they're having with fat mike..i'll stick with Ellis for now .
 
Tasman said:
Some supporters need to get a grip we could be like Leeds and Blackpool, Short has spent a bucket load on and off field to make sure the club is financially stable, he spends 20m odd on transfers per year compared to the 5m odd we used to spend, he has hired and backed successive managers with transfer funds and the power to run like a proper manager without interference,He trusted the managers to do a job, not Shorts fault that they wasted so much cash, yet we all still complain and blame Short for the position on the ladder we are in.


No one else wants to buy the club, players dont want to be in the North East so we have to spend overs to get any type of quality, this team probably would kill most other Sunderland teams of the past 20 years, yet some say we are shite

Supporters need to value how lucky we really are having that financially stability no point doing a Portsmouth winning a cup and spending next 10 years in 3 and 4 tier football.
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the last 3 seasons have in the main been awful, Short is overseeing the decline of a football team and he is responsible for not investing enough money in the football club to make a team competitive, Short is responisble for that. I hope he leaves.
 
sksk3021 said:
It isn't just transfers though is it?
The club would not be a going concern without the financial backing of Ellis Short.
I am pleased we are heading towards being self sufficient.
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I was answering the point that was made about transfers though wasn't I?

The fact is that we have been a relatively low spender in the transfer market for years now. But because when we have spent big money it has often been on shite, fans somehow seem to think that we are big spenders throwing money away. The issue is that we are a crap side, spending low amounts of money, often on players who either underperform or don't fit what we really needed.

In terms of the bigger picture, we probably are moving towards self-sufficiency, but it's a very high risk strategy because the way that Ellis Short seems to be doing that is by dodging the bottom three through sacking managers every year while he takes his money back from the club through the repayment of loans and keeps hold of his asset of a Premier League club, while the TV deals go through the roof.

In business terms, it has worked so far, although it doesn't make for good football because there is no long term footballing plan ever put in place. I suppose taking those risks is why he is a hedge fund billionaire and I'm just interested in watching the football, which I suspect is very low on Ellis Short's list of priorities.
 
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