Dylan McGeouch

[chriswallace85]

I don't think it is, because 'keeping possession ' too often it means passing back to a centre half. it generally ends up with a clearance and a fight for possession - what's so good about that? it's not retaining possession. or on other occasions the likes of flanagan who is poorer on the ball having to bring the ball out because McGeough refuses too.

There's little difference there from what you are repeating about Leadbitter putting the ball out even though that's not actually true all the time, because it would still end up with a punt.

Leadbitter can and does recycle the ball as well, but he also looks up and tried to get the team moving forward, because he isn't a coward in possession. You also seem to be suggesting there are no runners, yet Gooch is a willing runner, Morgan was last season when Leadbitter played and so far Mcnulty looks like one, as is Hume although he's been poor. we do need to work on many things as team, but I find criticism of leadbitter trying to be positive and trying to get the team forward a bit ott.

The fact there's like two instances of passes from McGeough Rochdale and Oxford where he's made positive good passes which people are referring too just highlights the issues with him.


No ones saying McGeough has to turn and beat men on his own, were all familiar with the concept of keeping possession and being patient, trying to work the opposition around. but too often he isn't positive in possession and recycles the ball for the sake of it. this thread points that out

I quite like the idea of possession football. I like the idea of keeping hold of the ball and looking after it. But how many times do you see it that we shoot ourselves in the foot conceding goals because we've been sloppy in possession.

 

[Perryqhill]

I quite like the idea of possession football. I like the idea of keeping hold of the ball and looking after it. But how many times do you see it that we shoot ourselves in the foot conceding goals because we've been sloppy in possession.

I think the weekend game highlighted more and more of our issues. If we're playing possession based football then we've got to be more positive with it - there are times when you have to be crisp and quick playing it, in thought and actions not just having pacey players, not just knocking it back and forward with little or no aim/urgency.

Ipswich were more direct on the counter and first half just took advantage of how slow and laboured we are in possession. They more or less let us pass it around and let us work our way up the pitch and then tightened up on us in their defensive area, too often we'd be sloppy in the final third or too slow in possession and get caught on the ball. They then would knock two passes together and they'd be running against our defence hitting us on the counter - it's making us so easy to play against.

 

[AC Mack]

I disagree. Being "positive" doesn't make the wingers open or have the pace to run in behind. If being positive is leadbetter putting the ball into touch then keeping possession is the better alternative.

It's not like when the option is available he doesn't take it. You won't see many better passes in league one this season than when he pinged it out to the right against oxford.

Being quicker does though, particularly when possession has been won. So many of our players are guilty of slowing things down at the wrong time, when there are spaces to exploit.

'Keeping possession' isnt necessarily the best option either. Would you rather our central midfielder kept the ball ten times out of ten but never created anything, or would you rather he always played it forward, lost it a few times but also created a couple of opportunities? Genuine question btw.

 

[Coeus]

Being quicker does though, particularly when possession has been won. So many of our players are guilty of slowing things down at the wrong time, when there are spaces to exploit.

'Keeping possession' isnt necessarily the best option either. Would you rather our central midfielder kept the ball ten times out of ten but never created anything, or would you rather he always played it forward, lost it a few times but also created a couple of opportunities? Genuine question btw.

I don't know mate, I enjoy the fact that you're up for a debate on it but tactic talk to me always comes down to preference. I cant present a fact that would change your mind nor you a hypothetical situation that would change mine. There are always too many variables.

I think it would be interesting to see how many times each central midfielder has attempted a forward pass with attacking intent and how many times it found its target because as it is, its all about perception, I don't for a start believe McGeoch always passes it 5 yards sideways or back, but that is the perception.

 

[AC Mack]

I cant argue tactical discussions, there are too many variables. My opinion is he is a really good player at our level, how we should play or be set up and if that would involve him is beyond me.


Of course it is and that's fine. Football eh?

We could definitely play a different formation that would suit him better. Three central midfielders being the obvious one. We could also play a style that suits him better, namely athletic and energetic players around him allowing for the transition from midfield to attack. Any two of Dobson, O'Nien or Power could do this job imo.

 

[Abu Dhabi Red and White]

I was in Edinburgh at the weekend and spoke to a Hibs supporting taxi driver about Dylan. He couldn't believe me when I said that Charlie Drake didn't push forward - he said that it must be down to the manger's instructions as Dylan was an attacking player at Easter Road.

 

[AC Mack]

I think the weekend game highlighted more and more of our issues. If we're playing possession based football then we've got to be more positive with it - there are times when you have to be crisp and quick playing it, in thought and actions not just having pacey players, not just knocking it back and forward with little or no aim/urgency.

Ipswich were more direct on the counter and first half just took advantage of how slow and laboured we are in possession. They more or less let us pass it around and let us work our way up the pitch and then tightened up on us in their defensive area, too often we'd be sloppy in the final third or too slow in possession and get caught on the ball. They then would knock two passes together and they'd be running against our defence hitting us on the counter - it's making us so easy to play against.

Exactly. You can play possession football up and down the pitch, it doesn't have to be horizontal.

I don't know mate, I enjoy the fact that you're up for a debate on it but tactic talk to me always comes down to preference. I cant present a fact that would change your mind nor you a hypothetical situation that would change mine. There are always too many variables.

I think it would be interesting to see how many times each central midfielder has attempted a forward pass with attacking intent and how many times it found its target because as it is, its all about perception, I don't for a start believe McGeoch always passes it 5 yards sideways or back, but that is the perception.

Agree with you about variables but we can only work from what's presented to us. To me it's clear that we need to be cleverer on the ball, and by that I mean knowing when to go forward and knowing when it's a good time to slow things down and retain possession.

You could present facts that change my mind because I'm open to that possibility, but there won't be any facts with McGeouch that surprise me.

 

[Coeus]

We could definitely play a different formation that would suit him better. Three central midfielders being the obvious one. We could also play a style that suits him better, namely athletic and energetic players around him allowing for the transition from midfield to attack. Any two of Dobson, O'Nien or Power could do this job imo.

Absolutely, I'm not convinced he is suited to a 2 but then he was MOM against Oxford in a pair so who knows. Without going down a tactical rabbit hole, I believe he has the best ability of our central midfielders.

 

[AC Mack]

I was in Edinburgh at the weekend and spoke to a Hibs supporting taxi driver about Dylan. He couldn't believe me when I said that Charlie Drake didn't push forward - he said that it must be down to the manger's instructions as Dylan was an attacking player at Easter Road.

I knew it. He's gonna become the League One Iniesta when Ross goes

 

[Coeus]

Exactly. You can play possession football up and down the pitch, it doesn't have to be horizontal.


Agree with you about variables but we can only work from what's presented to us. To me it's clear that we need to be cleverer on the ball, and by that I mean knowing when to go forward and knowing when it's a good time to slow things down and retain possession.

You could present facts that change my mind because I'm open to that possibility, but there won't be any facts with McGeouch that surprise me.

I'm not saying you're closed off against them AC, more so that there are none in circulation that I could be bothered to find that fit my perception.

I agree about setting the pace but its a bit difficult for us to theorize when is the right moment if it was DM's intention to slow it down by passing it a CB and look for a return when it just gets blasted out of touch.

 

[Ohnonotagain]

Colbak is a far better player.

Both would look great in a great team.In a poor to average team they create nothing.Only ever saw Colback dominate a game when he played youth team football. Its not enough to just sit in front of the centre halves and pass sideways and backwards, which is basically what they do.
McGeough and Leadbitter against Oxford were a disgrace.

 

[Junior Birdman]

On the rare occasions last season when we moved the ball quickly, we actually looked a half decent side. Unfortunately, we don't seem to have realised this.

 

[chriswallace85]

Both would look great in a great team.In a poor to average team they create nothing.Only ever saw Colback dominate a game when he played youth team football. Its not enough to just sit in front of the centre halves and pass sideways and backwards, which is basically what they do.
McGeough and Leadbitter against Oxford were a disgrace.

Bit harsh.

 

[Deleted member 35923]

McGeouch divides this board ...... into those who understand football and those who think a defensive playmakers job is to score goals.

If it is to make play, he doesn't do much of that either; and on that front he's no different to nearly all of our midfielders.

He's neat and tidy, a poor man's David Vaughan.

 

[Burnopfield Mackem]

Injured yet again!!!

 

[toosb]

Both would look great in a great team.In a poor to average team they create nothing.Only ever saw Colback dominate a game when he played youth team football. Its not enough to just sit in front of the centre halves and pass sideways and backwards, which is basically what they do.
McGeough and Leadbitter against Oxford were a disgrace.

Colback is 100 times better than McGeoch. He's a limited player but had a few decent games at PL level. Can you imagine McGeoch at the top level?

Oh and he is f***ing injured again.

 

[stevo]

Colback is 100 times better than McGeoch. He's a limited player but had a few decent games at PL level. Can you imagine McGeoch at the top level?

Oh and he is f***ing injured again.

Spot on mate ,remember colbacks goal at the gallowgate in one of the many 3 nils .My god imagine dm doing that ha ha.Just realised everytime we post on this thread keeps discussion on this waste of a shirt at the top of board .Time for dm blackout

 

[toosb]

I agree as well. It’s not the goals or assists that bother me. I don’t expect that from a sitting midfield player. It’s his inability to challenge, to drive forward at times and to do everything that little but more quickly. Just recycling the ball and being neat and tidy isn’t enough in this league

He's not even that neat and tidy when he's denied space. When he has space he can play it 10 yards but it's rarely forward. He never drives forward with it. He never shoots. It's utterly baffling when he gets injured, he never breaks sweat.
And he's injured yet again.

And this is in League 1. God help us.

 

[Kid Galahad]

He's not even that neat and tidy when he's denied space. When he has space he can play it 10 yards but it's rarely forward. He never drives forward with it. He never shoots. It's utterly baffling when he gets injured, he never breaks sweat.
And he's injured yet again.

And this is in League 1. God help us.

What is the matter with him? Injury wise I mean.

 

[defunctdigits]

So does the team do better with DM in or out of it - what are the stats?