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#DonaldIn or #DonaldOut

#DonaldIn or #DonaldOut

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He's had good intentions, but they've been undone by a number of poor decisions - alot of these down to (in brief) >>> efforts at communication.

I don't hate the bloke, but it seems we've reached a point where (all things considered) he needs to sell up.

The good old fashioned word used alot in football 'untenable', if you will.

Concerned about fan representaion for the future though...

We seemed to be in a spiral of...

[insert name] #OUT

Just keep winning, which is what it's all about (over to you Parky & The Lads)... because for something so crucial, I'm tired of this current ownership bullshit.


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For me, does he actually need to go now, cleared up a lot of mess and made mistakes along the way, whisker away from promotion last season, changed the manager to an underwhelming manager but appears to have started to get going, the point is halfway through the season is still to early to judge, if we start winning games consistently the tide will turn and the Donald out campaign will quieten.

His biggest mistake was thinking he could be friendly with the fans as he has been at Eastleigh and that has bit him in the arse, he should not have entertained the fanzines with podcasts as that has now turned him on, should have kept his cards close to his chest and just cracked on.

I voted Donald in, as seen nothing yet to hound him out of the club like the Devil incarnate, this might change come the end of the season if we have been a disaster and are fooked, but who knows who the new owner might be and could be a lot worse, a lot lot worse.
 
jimbob said:
All fans of big clubs create 'noise' when things aren't going well. SAFC is a bit different in that the fans are canny respectful and have never had a real 'go' at an owner. This is unchartered territory and one move I think is absolutely correct.

Any fans positive about SD and his methods have no perspective and as 'ol Methven pointed out, lack business nous.

Unfortunately our owner comes across like a bit of a spiv and the club has been underperforming to an alarming degree on the pitch like never before, which can't be divorced from violently poor off-field decisions.

Ok so costs have been cut, that's relatively easy and internally controllable, the domain of an accountant. The external build up ; the football product and communications has been terrible. The fact SD employed a PR expert and old cronies, shows how bad his strategic lens actually is.

Spinny lies and part truths will kill anyone in any role. You reap what you sow..no one else is to blame but the boss.
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Both statements by the fans groups have been entirely respectful imo.
Also I don’t even buy the 50/50 argument on good and bad decisions he’s made. That is accurate but it’s irrelevant. His underlying context is to flip an asset he owns. That’s whhat everyone has woken up to and why the large majority would rather he sells up to an owner with a long term context.
 
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After 700 votes it’s currently only 65% out. I hardly feel that RAWA et al’s response has been proportional and representative of the fan base.
 
Lucky1985 said:
After 700 votes it’s currently only 65% out. I hardly feel that RAWA et al’s response has been proportional and representative of the fan base.
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Only? That's twice as many want him out as in. And, considering we've had a small upturn in recent form, some easily pleaded folk seemingly have forgotten the awful mess Donald is sleepwalking us towards.
 
Lexingtongue said:
Only? That's twice as many want him out as in. And, considering we've had a small upturn in recent form, some easily pleaded folk seemingly have forgotten the awful mess Donald is sleepwalking us towards.
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The way they carried on was as though they were speaking on behalf of all fans and that he had to go. Of the fans that have voted (many will be apathetic and won’t have an opinion either way) 35% want him to stay. Demanding resignation on behalf of all Sunderland fans when some want him to stay seems a little out of order to me.
 
Lucky1985 said:
The way they carried on was as though they were speaking on behalf of all fans and that he had to go. Of the fans that have voted (many will be apathetic and won’t have an opinion either way) 35% want him to stay. Demanding resignation on behalf of all Sunderland fans when some want him to stay seems a little out of order to me.
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If he didnt want to go he would't..He is rarely at the sol and the skeletal management team running the club are hopeless.He has to go ,but he will only go on his terms and the fans groups spoke for themselves only !This shameful image is enough to chase any owner out of our once proud club!
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I voted Donald in, not because I think he's done a perfect job or because he hasn't made some serious miscalculations, but because my criteria for judging a chairman is the same as the criteria I use for judging a manager: not whether they can effect an immediate solution, but whether they've got the capacity to learn from their mistakes effectively. The best manager in my lifetime--Reid--was the best because when the first successful team he created stopped working, he was able to change that team and the way they played and create a different one. He didn't seem able to keep learning beyond that, which is what separated him from someone with more longevity like Allardyce. Things have not worked out for Donald, but I think I can see why he did some of the things he did. I can even see why he persisted with Parkinson, though it seemed perverse a few weeks ago. I'm willing to support his tenure for longer to see if he can turn the club around.

It's not that I'm not angry about where we are, but to me the real architects of our demise are, for different reasons, Byrne and Moyes.

I understand that not many people agree with this. What I don't understand is the level of vitriol and personal attacks that have become common on here (toward Donald now, toward Ross before) over the last six months, and that weren't really in evidence over the last 18 or so years that I've read this board. I don't think I've ever felt so distant from my fellow supporters.
 
Agent Cooper said:
I voted Donald in, not because I think he's done a perfect job or because he hasn't made some serious miscalculations, but because my criteria for judging a chairman is the same as the criteria I use for judging a manager: not whether they can effect an immediate solution, but whether they've got the capacity to learn from their mistakes effectively. The best manager in my lifetime--Reid--was the best because when the first successful team he created stopped working, he was able to change that team and the way they played and create a different one. He didn't seem able to keep learning beyond that, which is what separated him from someone with more longevity like Allardyce. Things have not worked out for Donald, but I think I can see why he did some of the things he did. I can even see why he persisted with Parkinson, though it seemed perverse a few weeks ago. I'm willing to support his tenure for longer to see if he can turn the club around.

It's not that I'm not angry about where we are, but to me the real architects of our demise are, for different reasons, Byrne and Moyes.

I understand that not many people agree with this. What I don't understand is the level of vitriol and personal attacks that have become common on here (toward Donald now, toward Ross before) over the last six months, and that weren't really in evidence over the last 18 or so years that I've read this board. I don't think I've ever felt so distant from my fellow supporters.
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This bit for me HULKSMASH’s the nail on it’s head.
 
Agent Cooper said:
I voted Donald in, not because I think he's done a perfect job or because he hasn't made some serious miscalculations, but because my criteria for judging a chairman is the same as the criteria I use for judging a manager: not whether they can effect an immediate solution, but whether they've got the capacity to learn from their mistakes effectively. The best manager in my lifetime--Reid--was the best because when the first successful team he created stopped working, he was able to change that team and the way they played and create a different one. He didn't seem able to keep learning beyond that, which is what separated him from someone with more longevity like Allardyce. Things have not worked out for Donald, but I think I can see why he did some of the things he did. I can even see why he persisted with Parkinson, though it seemed perverse a few weeks ago. I'm willing to support his tenure for longer to see if he can turn the club around.

It's not that I'm not angry about where we are, but to me the real architects of our demise are, for different reasons, Byrne and Moyes.

I understand that not many people agree with this. What I don't understand is the level of vitriol and personal attacks that have become common on here (toward Donald now, toward Ross before) over the last six months, and that weren't really in evidence over the last 18 or so years that I've read this board. I don't think I've ever felt so distant from my fellow supporters.
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When has he shown he can learn from his mistakes?
 
Keb said:
Will it matter? If someone new takes over it won't be long before fans are against them. Cowie, Murray, Quinn, Short, Donald. That's 40 years of different owners. What makes anyone think another owner will do things better?
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That's rubbish. If they actually delivered, thete'd be no problem.
 
jsdftm04 said:
When has he shown he can learn from his mistakes?
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I suppose that depends on whether you think he's had long enough to try and turn it around and whether he's done enough to justify being given the benefit of time.

We're all pissed off, but for some of us the red line hasn't been crossed yet.

I voted Donald in, for now.
 
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