Wouldn't be averse to that as we desperately at least 2 quality experienced bowlers. Although our DoC obviously thinks Connors and Aldridge are in that category.
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David Bedingham
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mackembhoy
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You wouldn't be adverse to losing our best player and one of our best ever is a take!
It's no coincidence he and we were poor last year with him in and out of the side due to South Africa commitments.
No distractions this summer for him and we need to make him our main in all 3 formats and keep him at all costs.
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He's undoubtedly a fine player and I never implied otherwise but an average of 30 in CC last year,which was probably just a blip, hardly puts him in the pantheon of Hussey,Love,Divo or Jones and is arguably more of a take.
I'm arguing a case of priorities.
The batting,sans Bedders,should remain strong enough,particularly in the 2nd division, but the bowling remains woeful. We need 20 wickets regularly to gain promotion and will only achieve that with the acquisition of at least 2 quality bowlers whom realistically can only come from the overseas market. Hence my claim that sacrificing Bedders may be a necessity.
Unless,of course,like North you have faith in the likes of Connors, Aldridge and Bailey
mackembhoy
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Really don't get the suggestion we can do without our best batsman especially after the fact Robinson/Ackermann/McKinney regular in the side than Bedders and were just as bad if not worse since they all played more. Aye we need a good overseas bowler next year but that's why we have 2 slots.He's undoubtedly a fine player and I never implied otherwise but an average of 30 in CC last year,which was probably just a blip, hardly puts him in the pantheon of Hussey,Love,Divo or Jones and is arguably more of a take.
I'm arguing a case of priorities.
The batting,sans Bedders,should remain strong enough,particularly in the 2nd division, but the bowling remains woeful. We need 20 wickets regularly to gain promotion and will only achieve that with the acquisition of at least 2 quality bowlers whom realistically can only come from the overseas market. Hence my claim that sacrificing Bedders may be a necessity.
Unless,of course,like North you have faith in the likes of Connors, Aldridge and Bailey
He had a poor season last year but he only played 6 games in a season interrupted by South Africa where he struggled at a higher level. I think if we had him for all 14 games we'd have stayed up. I think we will need him in all 14 to go back up.
He's above all but Diva and Benks as an overseas player for Durham. I'd like to think he stays and ends up going past both in runs and tons.
Everyone else you mentioned played 1 or 2 seasons. He's got 16 tons 4600 runs and averaging 54.65 for us.
Top quality and the sort of overseas every county wants that keeps coming back and doesn't get loads of international callups.
Hussey before my time watching Durham but gets talked up to god-like level(granted he went on to be a world class player)
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Bedders best season in 2024 you can be the judge between the two.
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Aldridge shouldn't be lumped with them two, time will tell he will show he's capable in the CC. Think people just annoyed and most signings made by North are automatically shite.
He's played for England Lions and Somerset wanted to keep him, not some cast off of a poor county in Derbyshire and a kid that's barely got started at FC level
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I'm in no way undermining Bedders- it's simply a case of priorities. Aldridge will be 25 year old when next season starts with 77 wicket at 39 each which hardly suggests a front line bowler. My initial post merely suggested that if Bedders were to go elsewhere it would give a route to establish a decent bowling attack. Immaterial really because I have little faith North's recruitment of late.
mackembhoy
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Fair enough on Bedders
Well as we're not going to have much use of Carse. We've gone for a younger version of him.
He's very much in his mould of how he was at the same age only already a far better batsman.
A first/second change enforcer hence the higher bowling average.
Your missing the part he's played his trade at Cider bad where spinners are used more too.
He'll do a lot better than the ones that have written him off before he's even put on whites for us.
We'll bump this depending on how it goes I'm sure
I said this last summer when we signed Gay/Rhodes but what signings are we actually supposed to make?
Who would be people want to nick from other counties that we could actually get?
Hard to nick first team county players from Div 1 teams when your not a test ground with the money to steal them. You have to go for their squad players or take the best Div 2 has to offer.
Defs a mistake not offering Killeen a proper contract and then signing Bailey. But I don't see the same with Aldridge it's a good pick up imo.
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Twisted
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He had a down year certainly but put it this way - do you really think losing bedingham would result in us adding 2 quality bowlers? This isn't football where we'd bring in a big transfer fee. Yes it would open up an overseas spot assuming regulations have remained the same but they're no guarantee of adding anyone decent as we've seem many many times just over the last year or two
Lumley End
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I completely get where you are coming from Parkside. It’s pretty clear to see we are desperate for a stronger bowling line up, and losing Bedingham might help in achieving that. But as you have also alluded to, that is highly unlikely to actually happen judging the recent recruitment.
Carse bowling was largely ineffective on the slow lifeless Riverside wickets of Spring which is why I'm not at all enamoured by either Aldridge or Bailey. Wonder if we'll get an update on arrivals and departures at tomorrow's fixture meeting?
As for the Killeen decision???
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Just had a look to see how he's been getting on with his teams in the SA domestic and SA20
Had a grade 3 hamstring tear and out for 8 weeks at the end of October, so should be back in the new year
Had a grade 3 hamstring tear and out for 8 weeks at the end of October, so should be back in the new year
He was injured and they didn't announce it, he was in rehab with them
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mackembhoy
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Anyone heard if we're getting him back next year?
No new contract by now doesn't bode well.
No new contract by now doesn't bode well.
SuperSub
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He hasn't played any domestic cricket in South Africa this winter for his team Western Province either
mackembhoy
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If you've got the bot on ignore they've posted above that he tore his hamstring in October and not back yet.
The Breen Machine
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Given how poor our bowling options were last year, I would prefer us to sign a high quality seamer or spinner.
I think a batting line-up of:
Lees
McKinney
Gay
Ackermann
Robinson
Clark
Rhodes
Should cope fine in division 2.
Bri
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It might be that Lees becomes an option for the Test squad this co9ming season. He did play well last year.
I'd keep Bedders like. Hang onto your good players and trade the not so good seems a better strategy to me. And, we're 2nd Div. who are we going to get who is 1st Div quality, because that's the type we should be recruiting. Also, it may be that 2nd Div is a good Division to develop our home grown bowlers (before they're taken up by England and ruined).
mackembhoy
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I've already said in detail above so won't re-hash.
But I respectfully disagree he's our best batsman and should be the main man in all 3 formats.
Whether he wants to is another story as I'm sure he'll have offers from every Division One county.
The Breen Machine
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All fair points but hard to see Lees being considered again in a year where he turns 33 and they seemed to make their minds up on him pretty quickly last time. I would have considered giving him another chance within the last 12 months but feel the current regime just won't be that open-minded on him.
In an ideal world I would keep him also, but if we could get a strong overseas bowler in to compliment Potts and Raine we would look much stronger. The back-up options last season were very weak although this wasn't helped by almost game by game rotation of overseas seamers. Bailey doesn't look ready for regular FC cricket, Connors looked very average and Killeen and Coughlin have moved on. That leaves Hogg, De Leede for his usual 1 FC appearance a season and Minto.
mackembhoy
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The current overseas at all counties
Wonder who might try nab him. A big Surrey shaped hole there worries me!
He's a much younger version of Carse that I think has a higher bowling ceiling certainly in CC anyway.
Wonder who might try nab him. A big Surrey shaped hole there worries me!
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Aldridge will do well for us.
He's a much younger version of Carse that I think has a higher bowling ceiling certainly in CC anyway.
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The Breen Machine
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Aldridge will probably do OK but we have no depth in that attack whatsoever, particularly if Potts is called up by England.
Australia have no tests until August, is Boland an option? I wasn't hugely impressed with Doggett last season but he did fine in the tests he played.
