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Cricketers unfairly maligned


chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Liam Livingstone and Sam Curran for me. They’re both “bits and pieces” at times, but given where they bat (and given white ball bowlers get flayed around at times), it’s easy to focus on the negatives

Chris Jordan too.

And (hands up from me) Jonny Bairstow
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Curran has a poor Test and ODI record and I think has had more than enough chances but his T20I record is good and just literally posted elsewhere that he was MoM in our T20 WC final win against Pakistan.

Chris Jordan is a really experienced and intelligent player.

Jonny Bairstow was really poor for quite a while for England but had a bad injury. maybe a break will do him good and if he does well he should come back.
 
Turner the Cat said:
Curran has a poor Test and ODI record and I think has had more than enough chances but his T20I record is good and just literally posted elsewhere that he was MoM in our T20 WC final win against Pakistan.

Chris Jordan is a really experienced and intelligent player.

Jonny Bairstow was really poor for quite a while for England but had a bad injury. maybe a break will do him good and if he does well he should come back.
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Curran test record isn’t that bad. He started well but has seemingly given up red ball cricket.

He’d be shocking overseas, but I do wonder if he’d be useful at home when Woakes goes
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Liam Livingstone and Sam Curran for me. They’re both “bits and pieces” at times, but given where they bat (and given white ball bowlers get flayed around at times), it’s easy to focus on the negatives

Chris Jordan too.

And (hands up from me) Jonny Bairstow
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Definitely Sam Curran based off domestic form absolutely shoe in for England at T20.

His batting has really come on recently
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
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I wasn’t disputing it mate, just thought it was good comeback after I mentioned Curran.

I suppose with them two in tests and Curran in T20 question marks remain whether they are good enough to make the jump between domestic and international cricket as none of them would be first or last for that
 
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chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Liam Livingstone and Sam Curran for me. They’re both “bits and pieces” at times, but given where they bat (and given white ball bowlers get flayed around at times), it’s easy to focus on the negatives

Chris Jordan too.

And (hands up from me) Jonny Bairstow
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Yes fair enough - been guilty of that on Livingstone. Its been great seeing him play so well and get the balance right between aggression and recklessness.
I think Duckett is hugely unfairly maligned. We have struggled for ages to find an opener that can score runs at the top of the order in test cricket - the toughest of places to bat at the very highest level of the game. I often read on here 'give Jennings another chance' with his 24 average. Duckett has come back into the team, found a method to score loads of runs averaging 44 since his return but people cant seem to get their head around the method of his dismissals which are a by product of the method he uses that enables him to score runs at the highest level of the game.
 
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rentaghost said:
Yes fair enough - been guilty of that on Livingstone. Its been great seeing him play so well and get the balance right between aggression and recklessness.
I think Duckett is hugely unfairly maligned. We have struggled for ages to find an opener that can score runs at the top of the order in test cricket - the toughest of places to bat at the very highest level of the game. I often read on here 'give Jennings another chance' with his 24 average. Duckett has come back into the team, found a method to score loads of runs averaging 44 since his return but people cant seem to get their head around the method of his dismissals which are a by product of the method he uses that enables him to score runs at the highest level of the game.
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Yeah spot on, I really struggle with the fact that a lot of posters accept a battling 30 odd from a opener and getting out to a defensive shot, but not a 70 or 80 out to an attacking shot, failing to realise the reason he has getting to 80 in the first place is them same attacking shots

Plus it’s not just the runs and average for him personally, since he came back into the side our win ratio has massively improved.
 
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Twisted said:
Graham onions should have played far more tests for England. Unfortunate timing for his career with Jimmy Anderson staying fit so long but still could have had ample opportunities
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Agree but what I was meaning was that Tate is forever known as the 'Man Who Lost The Ashes' when he played his one and only Test at Old Trafford in 1902 and he dropped a chance on the boundary and then with 8 runs required for victory he came in at No.11 to join Wilfred Rhodes. Tate edged his first ball for four but was then clean bowled and the series was lost. He never played again for England despite having taken 1331 FC wickets with 109 5fers and 10 wickets 29 times - slightly more impressive figures than Josh Hull.:lol:

I know I know...I shouldnt be spending my time reading all those cricket books!
 
rentaghost said:
Yes fair enough - been guilty of that on Livingstone. Its been great seeing him play so well and get the balance right between aggression and recklessness.
I think Duckett is hugely unfairly maligned. We have struggled for ages to find an opener that can score runs at the top of the order in test cricket - the toughest of places to bat at the very highest level of the game. I often read on here 'give Jennings another chance' with his 24 average. Duckett has come back into the team, found a method to score loads of runs averaging 44 since his return but people cant seem to get their head around the method of his dismissals which are a by product of the method he uses that enables him to score runs at the highest level of the game.
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Duckett has been brilliant

I’m dumbfounded by the attention he gets.
Voice of fair play said:
Yeah spot on, I really struggle with the fact that a lot of posters accept a battling 30 odd from a opener and getting out to a defensive shot, but not a 70 or 80 out to an attacking shot, failing to realise the reason he has getting to 80 in the first place is them same attacking shots

Plus it’s not just the runs and average for him personally, since he came back into the side our win ratio has massively improved.
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Burns and Hameed shotless in the ashes on Oz was as bad as it gets
Turner the Cat said:
When Root and Bairstow werent on form I would say there was a lot more patience for Root than there was for Bairstow. It was night and day really.
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He’s just always the fall guy, no matter what happened, no matter the format
Twisted said:
Graham onions should have played far more tests for England. Unfortunate timing for his career with Jimmy Anderson staying fit so long but still could have had ample opportunities
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Agree. They went with Bresnan often instead, who was decent tbf

Not playing in that ashes at chester was guttinng though
 
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