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Craft Beer


Pop said:
So nothing then, you’re just a craft ale Fauntleroy.
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It’s full of beta palates drinking badly kept pints of Ruddles County or the runts of the local cask litter.

Often frequented by people wearing stained denim jackets they’ve owned since the 80s.

Definitely your scene mind if you hate the idea of someone enjoying something.
 
Charmless Man said:
You’ve made the point for yourself. A beer can brand itself as such but the ‘community’ might well reject it. Just as we’ve seen with Beavertown getting it’s Heineken investment.

Clearly the craft community is going to reject a Guinness product as not ‘craft’. Doesn’t mean it’s shite (hophouse is like) just not craft. Just as Neck Oil hasn’t become shite now Logan Plant is thrashing his cock to death with Dutch beer money - we await the outcome of that.
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At least we can agree on something. Hophouse is shite.

The craft "community" is something I don't get. Unless you mean the groups of craft drinkers who all pat each other on the back and say X is good, Y is bad, agree or you know nothing (a bit like some Ale drinkers to be fair).

As for cloudwater never brewing the same beer twice? Wow.
I've seen local micros do that that with cask and they get shot down for inconsistency and for not being capable of finding a good recipe and playing to the ticket crowd who just want to try new beers.

I don't get it I really don't. But that doesn't mean there aren't some cracking brews out there. I just think the vast majority of the " Craft ale movement" is no more than clever marketing
 
Redandwhitedust said:
At least we can agree on something. Hophouse is shite.

The craft "community" is something I don't get. Unless you mean the groups of craft drinkers who all pat each other on the back and say X is good, Y is bad, agree or you know nothing (a bit like some Ale drinkers to be fair).

As for cloudwater never brewing the same beer twice? Wow.
I've seen local micros do that that with cask and they get shot down for inconsistency and for not being capable of finding a good recipe and playing to the ticket crowd who just want to try new beers.

I don't get it I really don't. But that doesn't mean there aren't some cracking brews out there. I just think the vast majority of the " Craft ale movement" is no more than clever marketing
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Cloudwater are introducing a core range that will be available year round.
 
Redandwhitedust said:
At least we can agree on something. Hophouse is shite.

The craft "community" is something I don't get. Unless you mean the groups of craft drinkers who all pat each other on the back and say X is good, Y is bad, agree or you know nothing (a bit like some Ale drinkers to be fair).

As for cloudwater never brewing the same beer twice? Wow.
I've seen local micros do that that with cask and they get shot down for inconsistency and for not being capable of finding a good recipe and playing to the ticket crowd who just want to try new beers.

I don't get it I really don't. But that doesn't mean there aren't some cracking brews out there. I just think the vast majority of the " Craft ale movement" is no more than clever marketing
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A community of somewhat likeminded people who like a certain type of product but may have different opinions on the individual products themselves? Is that sufficient?
 
Pop said:
So nothing then, you’re just a craft ale Fauntleroy.
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And this is the issue with Craft and Cask "communities". You either agree with the current consensus or you are a know nothing.

Bottom line is why do you drink Cask or craft? (Or anything for that matter)

If the answer is "taste" then it doesn't matter who owns the brewery, where it's from or how it's dispensed or what the brewery is marketing itself as.


If the answer is anything else, then you are falling for the marketing and image that you think people care about. The only people who care are other people like you. Do you really think these "craft/cask" breweries are in the business to push envelopes and brew beer purely for taste? No they are brewing beer to make money, and if that means "selling out" like Beavertown, Sharps or Brewdog, they'd all do it.

Bottom line is, you can drink an £8 brightly coloured can of "craft" imported on a unicorn powered hovercraft from Michigan, or a pint of cask from the Orkneys that is only brewed on an August full moon. But you are essentially falling for the same marketing that tells us that Fosters is Australian or that Guinness is good for you.

Find what you like, drink it and enjoy it. But don't pretend that it's better than anyone else's beer.
 
Redandwhitedust said:
And this is the issue with Craft and Cask "communities". You either agree with the current consensus or you are a know nothing.

Bottom line is why do you drink Cask or craft? (Or anything for that matter)

If the answer is "taste" then it doesn't matter who owns the brewery, where it's from or how it's dispensed or what the brewery is marketing itself as.


If the answer is anything else, then you are falling for the marketing and image that you think people care about. The only people who care are other people like you. Do you really think these "craft/cask" breweries are in the business to push envelopes and brew beer purely for taste? No they are brewing beer to make money, and if that means "selling out" like Beavertown, Sharps or Brewdog, they'd all do it.

Bottom line is, you can drink an £8 brightly coloured can of "craft" imported on a unicorn powered hovercraft from Michigan, or a pint of cask from the Orkneys that is only brewed on an August full moon. But you are essentially falling for the same marketing that tells us that Fosters is Australian or that Guinness is good for you.

Find what you like, drink it and enjoy it. But don't pretend that it's better than anyone else's beer.
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I agree with you, I drink anything that I think tastes good.

Charmless Man said:
It’s full of beta palates drinking badly kept pints of Ruddles County or the runts of the local cask litter.

Often frequented by people wearing stained denim jackets they’ve owned since the 80s.

Definitely your scene mind if you hate the idea of someone enjoying something.
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More sneering from Fauntleroy.

Spoons near me always has on Ilkley, Saltaire, Kirkstall etc. Aren't all spoons cask marqued?
 
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Pop said:
More sneering from Fauntleroy.

Spoons near me always has on Ilkley, Saltaire, Kirkstall etc. Aren't all spoons cask marqued?
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Not necessarily an indicator of quality. Been in loads of pubs with that accreditation who haven’t served good beer.

The last spoons I was in served me a pint of Cheshire Cat or something that was god awful.

I love how you think I’m being serious by the way, you’re just too desperate to believe it :lol:

Redandwhitedust said:
And this is the issue with Craft and Cask "communities". You either agree with the current consensus or you are a know nothing.

Bottom line is why do you drink Cask or craft? (Or anything for that matter)

If the answer is "taste" then it doesn't matter who owns the brewery, where it's from or how it's dispensed or what the brewery is marketing itself as.


If the answer is anything else, then you are falling for the marketing and image that you think people care about. The only people who care are other people like you. Do you really think these "craft/cask" breweries are in the business to push envelopes and brew beer purely for taste? No they are brewing beer to make money, and if that means "selling out" like Beavertown, Sharps or Brewdog, they'd all do it.

Bottom line is, you can drink an £8 brightly coloured can of "craft" imported on a unicorn powered hovercraft from Michigan, or a pint of cask from the Orkneys that is only brewed on an August full moon. But you are essentially falling for the same marketing that tells us that Fosters is Australian or that Guinness is good for you.

Find what you like, drink it and enjoy it. But don't pretend that it's better than anyone else's beer.
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Not sure what you’re going on about? You either agree with the consensus or know nothing? Part of why people do coalesce around these things with like minded people is to talk about what’s good or bad, right?

“Oh have you tried Magic Rock’s new beer? Not up to their usual standard...”

“Yeah, but I quite enjoyed it.”

I’m not sure why you think enjoying craft beer and feeling part of a community that takes an interest in it means you can’t enjoy stuff made by big breweries as well. It’s a blurred line in and of itself. Sierra Nevada kicked the whole thing off and are massive now, are they still craft? Arguably not but nobody actually cares. Are Brewdog craft still? Arguably not, many craft fans do care because of their questionable business practices, not everyone agrees.

It’s a world of shades of gray. I’d argue you haven’t fallen for the same marketing. Carling advertises at football and on the telly. It’s front and centre of the beer promotions in big supermarkets during big sports events. Most craft beer companies can’t buy space on advertising hoardings or prime time TV. They market through social media and word of mouth, in the main... i.e almost entirely through a community.

People can be in business to do both, btw.
 
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Charmless Man said:
Not necessarily an indicator of quality. Been in loads of pubs with that accreditation who haven’t served good beer.

The last spoons I was in served me a pint of Cheshire Cat or something that was god awful.

I love how you think I’m being serious by the way, you’re just too desperate to believe it :lol:

Not sure what you’re going on about? You either agree with the consensus or know nothing? Part of why people do coalesce around these things with like minded people is to talk about what’s good or bad, right?

“Oh have you tried Magic Rock’s new beer? Not up to their usual standard...”

“Yeah, but I quite enjoyed it.”

I’m not sure why you think enjoying craft beer and feeling part of a community that takes an interest in it means you can’t enjoy stuff made by big breweries as well. It’s a blurred line in and of itself. Sierra Nevada kicked the whole thing off and are massive now, are they still craft? Arguably not but nobody actually cares. Are Brewdog craft still? Arguably not, many craft fans do care because of their questionable business practices, not everyone agrees.

It’s a world of shades of gray. I’d argue you haven’t fallen for the same marketing. Carling advertises at football and on the telly. It’s front and centre of the beer promotions in big supermarkets during big sports events. Most craft beer companies can’t buy space on advertising hoardings or prime time TV. They market through social media and word of mouth, in the main... i.e almost entirely through a community.

People can be in business to do both, btw.
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The beer was awful or it was poorly kept?

I've never had in issue in the Leeds spoons with badly kept beer.
 
Pop said:
The beer was awful or it was poorly kept?

I've never had in issue in the Leeds spoons with badly kept beer.
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The Worm was shocking when it was a Spoons, regularly had shit pints in there. Jameson’s has had it’s moments as well. I tend to get Shipyard Pale Ale if I’m in a Spoons these days. Mass produced but you aren’t playing Russian roulette with the hand pulls, nor holding up the queue while you taste everything.
 
Town End Farmer Giles said:
The Worm was shocking when it was a Spoons, regularly had shit pints in there. Jameson’s has had it’s moments as well. I tend to get Shipyard Pale Ale if I’m in a Spoons these days. Mass produced but you aren’t playing Russian roulette with the hand pulls, nor holding up the queue while you taste everything.
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Careful now, @Charmless Man wouldn't serve you if he was behind the bar with that attitude.
 
Went and picked up 5 cans/bottles from Coppers on my way home from work. From breweries like Track, Magic Rock and Verdant. Didn’t really look at the strength. All of the fuckers are over 7%.
 
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