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Count Championship Proposals - Conference System

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I don't know how I feel about this.... I could actually be a good idea. Written by Scyld Berry for yesterday's Telegraph.

Conferences were not considered a great idea when Lord MacLaurin proposed them to replace the county championship 20 years ago. But the ECB Working Group which held its first meeting at Lord’s on Wednesday is expected to conclude that the time has come for them to be implemented in 2020.

The difference between now and 1997 is that the championship is effectively split into two halves of the season, early and late, with 50- and 20-over matches, and the future 100-ball format, in the middle. Today sees the start of the Royal London One-Day Cup. There are only four more championship rounds before the second half of August, by when many will have forgotten the standings.

Since the MacLaurin proposal, a championship of two divisions was introduced in 2000. The pros have been manifest: the quasi-Test intensity of Division One. So too the cons: the acceptance of Division Two status by less affluent counties who prioritise white-ball formats. Neither Glamorgan nor Gloucestershire have been in Division One for a decade.

, Martyn Moxon. He is a member of the Working Group under the chairmanship of Leicestershire’s CEO, Wasim Khan, and his plan has met little opposition, certainly by comparison with the ECB’s announcement of the 100-ball format. While the whole structure of county cricket is up for review by the Working Group, the introduction of the fourth format is not.

“If we want to protect red-ball cricket, and keep the 18 counties interested in playing red-ball cricket, we’ve got to do something different to what we are currently doing,” Moxon said before the meeting.

“And if there’s a desire to produce England-qualified cricketers, I think it’s generally agreed - certainly among coaches around the country - the current system isn’t going to allow that to happen, because it produces short-term thinking. If two of the eight teams in the first division are relegated, it’s all about winning now. So a lot of decisions are short-term and the recruitment of ready-made players to make sure you stay in the first division is not helping the production of England-qualified cricketers.”

“If we want to protect red-ball cricket, and keep the 18 counties interested in playing red-ball cricket, we’ve got to do something different to what we are currently doing,” Moxon said before the meeting.

“And if there’s a desire to produce England-qualified cricketers, I think it’s generally agreed - certainly among coaches around the country - the current system isn’t going to allow that to happen, because it produces short-term thinking. If two of the eight teams in the first division are relegated, it’s all about winning now. So a lot of decisions are short-term and the recruitment of ready-made players to make sure you stay in the first division is not helping the production of England-qualified cricketers.”

“The majority of coaches felt the Conference system would ignite the interest of the whole 18 counties, and the point was made that for second division clubs to get better they have to play against first division clubs more often,” Moxon added. “That every county would have the chance every year of winning the county championship appeals to a lot of people.”

“The other thing we haven’t mentioned is the movement of players. It’s now perceived that you have to be in the first division. Any second division county that does a good job with a player, they can’t keep hold of him, because the first division is a lure, so they are in a cycle of defeat, aren’t they?”

Moxon has proposed three conferences of six counties each: they would play each other twice each, home and away, in early season. Then the top two counties in each conference would go into the first division in the latter part of the season, with each county playing the other five once. The third and fourth counties in each conference would go into the second division, fifth and six into the third. Each county therefore has 15 games per season.

The devil will lie in the details to be discussed in the coming months. I would be in favour of the 10 games in the Conferences being scheduled for three days. Many championship matches in April and early May end in three days because conditions favour pace bowlers. Yes, the batsmen need to be encouraged to “bat time”, to survive at the crease all day, but that can still be done in a hard-fought battle for first innings lead in a drawn game eg ten points for a lead, 20 for a win, and no bonus points.

Then there would be room in the second half of the season for the matches in August and September to be extended from five to ten in each division, home and away, as four-day games. Two separate first-class competitions, one for each part of the summer, bookending the three white-ball formats: no system is perfect but it could come closer to being the best of all championship worlds.
 

Sounds convoluted and contrived but it appears to have the a biliary of keeping all teams interested for the best part of the season.
It's a meh from me but I accept its possibilities.
 
I wish they'd just find a format and f***ing leave it be.

The two divisions of 9 wasn't broke. Nor was the single division of 18 teams. So why f***ing try and fix it.

3 day games? Fuck off.
 
Im not sure the two division format is broken but the scheduling remains the problem

Im not averse to the idea but if its bookended to April/May and August/Sept, not sure it changes much
 
Im not sure the two division format is broken but the scheduling remains the problem

Im not averse to the idea but if its bookended to April/May and August/Sept, not sure it changes much

I agree regarding the scheduling, wholeheartedly, but it's because FTECB wish to prioritise white ball cricket - as a result, Championship cricket ends up doing, in essence, the graveyard shift. Bit at the start, barely any in the middle, bit at the end.

What's more, the notion of a league where you play some teams twice and others only once is f***ing bobbins - that's what we have now in Division Two.

Stands to reason that playing red ball cricket in April and September only isn't going to suitably prepare Test cricketers for Test Matches in June/July :rolleyes:
 
Its clearly shown that FTECB dont know their arse from their elbow - they want the counties to produce test quality players but then not letting them play proper, first class cricket.

How the fuck is playing games early or late in the season going to prepare players for test matches in the middle of the season. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

FFS man they really couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery these lot.
 
Its clearly shown that FTECB dont know their arse from their elbow - they want the counties to produce test quality players but then not letting them play proper, first class cricket.

How the fuck is playing games early or late in the season going to prepare players for test matches in the middle of the season. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

FFS man they really couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery these lot.

I'm actually convinced their long term aim is to kill Red Ball Cricket - because to be fair to the c*nts, they're doing a good job of it.
 
A threat to the ECB.... not sure but it is a shot across the bows to them.
 
A threat to the ECB.... not sure but it is a shot across the bows to them.

Interesting.

So so so many ill-advised people replying to that though. FTECB handouts :lol:. It's money that the counties should have anyway, it's the counties (and England) that make them that f***ing money!
 
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I wish they'd just find a format and f***ing leave it be.

The two divisions of 9 wasn't broke. Nor was the single division of 18 teams. So why f***ing try and fix it.

3 day games? Fuck off.
Definitely this. It cannot help followers of any form of cricket for the format, rules, teams or whatever to keep changing. People lose track of what's what and get confused and interest in the game is damaged - this is a good reason why having some games at 3 days and some at 4 and why having teams in a league playing each other twice but randomly some teams play each other once only is a bad idea.

Give the punters something to follow and something that is settled and maybe interest can be built up rather than destroyed.
 
Hidden within the detail is the fact that 10 3 day and 5 4 day games = 50 days of CC cricket. 6 days less than we have now. How does that help improve our chances of producing test cricketers?
 
players want retention of 2 division CC

Noticeably FTECB haven't consulted the players on their views on the "one hundred". Nor have they consulted the consumers i.e. the spectators.
FTECB.
 
So the ECB wants one thing and the players and spectators want the other.
 
players want retention of 2 division CC

Noticeably FTECB haven't consulted the players on their views on the "one hundred". Nor have they consulted the consumers i.e. the spectators.
FTECB.

Is anyone surprised?

Strange and worrying that Mitchell sidestepped the question about The Hundred though. Players clearly hate it, so why isn’t he voicing their concerns on it........?
 
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Is anyone surprised?

Strange and worrying that Mitchell sidestepped the question about The Hundred though. Players clearly hate it, so why isn’t he voicing their concerns on it........?
The PCA have already expressed severe reservations about the new format but have been ignored by ECB. The hundred concept was announced without consultation with the PCA. It seems the 2 bodies are on a collision course particularly over ECB refusal to discuss a new salary ceiling when the new money arrives in 2020.
 
It's been reported today that crickers have asked that County Cricket and The Hundred don't run alongside each other (so as The Hundred won't take the best players out of the County game).

Not sure whether that means County games will have to be played February or October now to fit in.
 
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