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Could it get worse?

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SAFC Nooey said:
Dead and heading to league one. Could we end up being worse and find ourselves dealing with another relegation battle next season?
I see no hope or bright spark in this side, if ever one appears it soon gets shut out.
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' Nil desperandum'.....but yes, every time...

KTF....regardless....the light that never goes out.
 

It'll get better eventually, debts will lessen, shite players will be shed and hopefully lessons will be learnt about signing dross on inflated wages and overlong contracts
 
A few people here have hit the nail on the head.

Yes, we're 'too big' to fail in League One on paper. I think the same case could have been - and was - made about us in the championship this time last year though. Every time we drip down a division it requires the leadership to come up with a plan that gets us out of there. It means building a squad, adjusting the business side accordingly, and ensuring that the club makes reasonable investments in players without compromising the long term future.

You can probably see where I'm going with this...

Our problem is that Bain and whoever else is making decisions (I'll give CC a pass because he hasn't been given a single penny to spend and lost his best player) have proven themselves unable to build a premier league squad, then unable to build a championship squad, and now we're going to have to apparently find out whether against all odds, they'll be able to get right building a League One squad. This is despite to my knowledge not having a single person in the club with substantial knowledge of the division.

About the best hope we have is that while we got relegated with a pretty poor championship team last year (as evidenced by our plight) the gulf in quality is so big that spending 1-2m may genuinely be able to secure us a big enough advantage to get out of it. I'm seriously worried though, that quite how that money would be spent is another potential x factor that could see us in mid-table of league one by this point next year, with no more substantial parachute money and effectively a choice between continuing as a 'big club' in terms of the AOL, SOL, infrastructure, staff etc, or being forced to quickly become another league one club.

My starkest worry is that even not getting promoted next season would likely herald the end of the club as many of us have known it for the last 20 years, and for at least a decade to come. We simply cant get this one wrong.
 
it depends on how long Short remains in control I assume that a new owner(s) would put measures in place that would at the very least halt any further decline. Why would someone invest in a club in our position just to continue to degrade the asset? I hope however that a new owner(s) might have greater ambitions for SAFC than that but perhaps given the debt that's all they would be able to do.

If Short remains in charge then he has demonstrated time and again that even if he puts money in to the club he does not have the ability to manage SAFC effectively. So the longer we are stuck with him things could well get worse
 
Lord Potts said:
it depends on how long Short remains in control I assume that a new owner(s) would put measures in place that would at the very least halt any further decline. Why would someone invest in a club in our position just to continue to degrade the asset? I hope however that a new owner(s) might have greater ambitions for SAFC than that but perhaps given the debt that's all they would be able to do.

If Short remains in charge then he has demonstrated time and again that even if he puts money in to the club he does not have the ability to manage SAFC effectively. So the longer we are stuck with him things could well get worse
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Short needs to go,his heart and his head are no longer in it,if they ever were. The whole culture at the club has to change and it can't while he's still there because he represents all the misery and failure of the last 7 or 8 years. We need a completely clean sweep.....from the Boardroom to the Dressingroom.
 
Goldeneye said:
We need major investment in the squad before the start of the season-a whole new team practically. Under Bain and Short the required funds wont be put in and another relegation battle will be likely without a takeover. Our squad is terrible.
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This unfortunately. I suspect all offers for anybody will be accepted and used towards the debt if this season is anything to go by.

The fact that the Pickford money was pocketed rather than invested says it all.
 
Boz33 said:
It'll get better eventually, debts will lessen, shite players will be shed and hopefully lessons will be learnt about signing dross on inflated wages and overlong contracts
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Been waiting a decade for this bit, seems to be the bit we cannot get right often.
 
If short is still here next season i think we will be in a similar position again
 
Lets face it anything less than winning that league next season will be classed as failure. Watmore,Gooch,Honeyman,McNair,Love and dare I mention Rodwell gives us a base to work from. A couple of Strikers and a couple of keepers that are half decent along with some 'units' should see us piss it.
 
If life's told me anything, it can always get worse. Find out your losing your job oh what's this your lass is cheating on you and you end up almost homeless.
 
hairynaker said:
Been waiting a decade for this bit, seems to be the bit we cannot get right often.
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Well we have no choice now, as the money well is drying up somewhat
On the bright side it'll be a while before we can sign anyone near rodwells wage
 
Unless we sort our home form out then yes, definitely.

Grumpy Old Man said:
Rotherham were relegated last season with 23 points, and are currently fourth. The other two sides that went down are in the top two places. The gap in quality is huge.
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Genuine question. Did Rotherham have the losing culture/mentality instilled in them that we currently have? It's not just this season or last, we've had this mentality ingrained in us for years now. We go a goal down and we almost certainly lose.

We don't know how to win games. Did you see the stat about the amount of games we've won on the last 11 seasons compared to every other team in England. That is not entirely down to quality. It's a mental issue. Until we remove this mentality/culture of losing we are only heading one way.
 
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DufraisFTM said:
Unless we sort our home form out then yes, definitely.


Genuine question. Did Rotherham have the losing culture/mentality instilled in them that we currently have? It's not just this season or last, we've had this mentality ingrained in us for years now. We go a goal down and we almost certainly lose.

We don't know how to win games. Did you see the stat about the amount of games we've won on the last 11 seasons compared to every other team in England. That is not entirely down to quality. It's a mental issue. Until we remove this mentality/culture of losing we are only heading one way.
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Hopefully if we are forced to use the kids next year they'll have a bit more fight in them, it could be argued a lot our highly paid senior squad members past and present just go through the motions, pick up their hefty wages and think meh.
I think the kids will have a lot more pride and will bust a gut for the club
 
Boz33 said:
Hopefully if we are forced to use the kids next year they'll have a bit more fight in them, it could be argued a lot our highly paid senior squad members past and present just go through the motions, pick up their hefty wages and think meh.
I think the kids will have a lot more pride and will bust a gut for the club
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Agreed. And that's the culture I'm talking about. They're so used to losing it just comes naturally. That is our biggest concern imo.
 
DufraisFTM said:
Agreed. And that's the culture I'm talking about. They're so used to losing it just comes naturally. That is our biggest concern imo.
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Yep, I honestly think they just don't care, a lot nearing the end of their career, or knowing they'll be moving on and just going through the motions and collecting their wages, chucking out the odd half hearted rallying cry.
Next season I'd hope one of the kids becomes captain and a new attitude is instilled
 
DufraisFTM said:
Unless we sort our home form out then yes, definitely.


Genuine question. Did Rotherham have the losing culture/mentality instilled in them that we currently have? It's not just this season or last, we've had this mentality ingrained in us for years now. We go a goal down and we almost certainly lose.

We don't know how to win games. Did you see the stat about the amount of games we've won on the last 11 seasons compared to every other team in England. That is not entirely down to quality. It's a mental issue. Until we remove this mentality/culture of losing we are only heading one way.
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No idea, but last season they only won 5, and lost 33, which is far worse than we'll be even if we lose every remaining match. Hopefully, next year's squad will be unrecognisable compared to this in terms of personnel. To be fair, I see less of the losing mentality among the younger players - Gooch, Honeyman, Asoro, etc; they obviously hate losing, and we should look to build on that.
 
Why no man it'll give us the chance to get rid of the deadwood and finally win some games and rebuild having gotten rid of the rotten core.

Oh hang on...
 
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