Chris Silverwood:

[smoker]

even heard rob key say stokes was great captian in the ODIs against Pakistan, yea I am sure you are correct, but that has no relevant on test cricket

Aye it does. Or else people would never get promoted. I'm only a middle manager but went from 'acting' with one report, to having six and a much broader portfolio. Leadership skills are transferable.

 

[The Rat]

Aye it does. Or else people would never get promoted. I'm only a middle manager but went from 'acting' with one report, to having six and a much broader portfolio. Leadership skills are transferable.

Nah I dunno like

50 n 20 overs is so so easier than test match

Morgan would be a feckin disaster at any point in his career

 

[smoker]

Nah I dunno like

50 n 20 overs is so so easier than test match

Morgan would be a feckin disaster at any point in his career

The point is you start off managing smaller, easier projects then move on to harder stuff. If you've demonstrated good leadership skills in the former it bodes well for the latter.

That said, I would be concerned about the number of injuries Ben gets, as well as his mental resilience given everything he's been through. If there was a stand out good veteran skipper in county cricket, I'd be inclined to bring them in, but I can't think of one (we're in a time of young captains).

Morgan would be a feckin disaster at any point in his career

Disagree about this. I think he'd be a fantastic captain, but shite batsman.

 

[The Rat]

The point is you start off managing smaller, easier projects then move on to harder stuff. If you've demonstrated good leadership skills in the former it bodes well for the latter.

That said, I would be concerned about the number of injuries Ben gets, as well as his mental resilience given everything he's been through. If there was a stand out good veteran skipper in county cricket, I'd be inclined to bring them in, but I can't think of one (we're in a time of young captains).

Yeah not to say I don’t think Ben stokes wouldn’t be a good captain I think he would

I just don’t like media talking about white ball like it’s equal as test. It’s just not as hard. 90 overs a day etc

I hear your point about county. I suspect that if root Steps down they might do that actually

But I’d be pushing for root under Kirsten

The point is you start off managing smaller, easier projects then move on to harder stuff. If you've demonstrated good leadership skills in the former it bodes well for the latter.

That said, I would be concerned about the number of injuries Ben gets, as well as his mental resilience given everything he's been through. If there was a stand out good veteran skipper in county cricket, I'd be inclined to bring them in, but I can't think of one (we're in a time of young captains).

Disagree about this. I think he'd be a fantastic captain, but shite batsman.

Can’t agree mate

His captaincy is purely driven by stats nothing else

Not good enough

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

First thing we've f*cking caught all series.

Been reviewed and Buttler has grounded it

 

[smoker]

But I’d be pushing for root under kirsten

Not gonna argue. I think he'd be a better captain under a proper coach.

 

[The Rat]

Not gonna argue. I think he'd be a better captain under a proper coach.

He’s been a good captain in the past

He was excellent i South Africa. Sri Lanka and particularly good at home to india when we won 4-1

 

[smoker]

hear your point about county. I suspect that if root Steps down they might do that actually

Here's your runners and riders with age and number of seasons captaincy in brackets:

Billy Godleman (32, 6)
Scott Borthwick (31, 1)
Tom Westley (32, 2)
Steven Mullaney (35, 4)
Will Rhodes (26, 1)
Joe Leach (31, 5)
Chris Dent (30, 3)
James Vince (30, 6)
Colin Ackerman (disqualified)
Peter Handscomb (disqualified)
Tom Abell (27, 5)
Rory Burns (31, 4)
David Lloyd (29, 0)
Sam Billings (30, 4)
Dane Vilas (disqualified)

Looking at that lot, you'd have to say Burns, Vince, Westley and Abell are your frontrunners, based on a combination of length of service, team success and whether you could justifiably pick them on the rest of their game.

 

[The Rat]

Here's your runners and riders with age and number of seasons captaincy in brackets:

Billy Godleman (32, 6)
Scott Borthwick (31, 1)
Tom Westley (32, 2)
Steven Mullaney (35, 4)
Will Rhodes (26, 1)
Joe Leach (31, 5)
Chris Dent (30, 3)
James Vince (30, 6)
Colin Ackerman (disqualified)
Peter Handscomb (disqualified)
Tom Abell (27, 5)
Rory Burns (31, 4)
David Lloyd (29, 0)
Sam Billings (30, 4)
Dane Vilas (disqualified)

Looking at that lot, you'd have to say Burns, Vince, Westley and Abell are your frontrunners, based on a combination of length of service, team success and whether you could justifiably pick them on the rest of their game.

Aye agree with that

Pretty sure root will stay on there though

 

[Comeback_Kenwyne]

Here's your runners and riders with age and number of seasons captaincy in brackets:

Billy Godleman (32, 6)
Scott Borthwick (31, 1)
Tom Westley (32, 2)
Steven Mullaney (35, 4)
Will Rhodes (26, 1)
Joe Leach (31, 5)
Chris Dent (30, 3)
James Vince (30, 6)
Colin Ackerman (disqualified)
Peter Handscomb (disqualified)
Tom Abell (27, 5)
Rory Burns (31, 4)
David Lloyd (29, 0)
Sam Billings (30, 4)
Dane Vilas (disqualified)

Looking at that lot, you'd have to say Burns, Vince, Westley and Abell are your frontrunners, based on a combination of length of service, team success and whether you could justifiably pick them on the rest of their game.

Tbf Will Rhodes has one season, one championship and averages a fair tick higher than Abell.

I mean, if you put in all those variables, it's clearly Rory Burns. Make of that what you will.

I would think he will play next two matches. If he gets a ton, he'll get the gig, I should imagine. If doing quite a lot of work there, I appreciate.

 

[smoker]

Tbf Will Rhodes has one season, one championship and averages a fair tick higher than Abell.

I mean, if you put in all those variables, it's clearly Rory Burns. Make of that what you will.

I would think he will play next two matches. If he gets a ton, he'll get the gig, I should imagine. If doing quite a lot of work there, I appreciate.

Rhodes had a stinker with the bat last season, averaged 26 and only that by virtue of 150 in the final match.

Burns also won the CC in his first season as captain.

I think it will be offered to Stokes TBH

 

[Comeback_Kenwyne]

Rhodes had a stinker with the bat last season, averaged 26 and only that by virtue of 150 in the final match.

Burns also won the CC in his first season as captain.

I think it will be offered to Stokes TBH

150 in the final match, given a trophy was on the line, is commendable tbf.

It's frustrating though. It wasn't just that nobody put their hand up for England last year, it was also that lots of next cab off the rank types had stinking red ball seasons e.g Livingstone.

Still didn't stop them hoying Crawley in again, mind.

I think Stokes might decline. What then?! Jimmy for a year until Stokes says yes?

 

[smoker]

150 in the final match, given a trophy was on the line, is commendable tbf.

It's frustrating though. It wasn't just that nobody put their hand up for England last year, it was also that lots of next cab off the rank types had stinking red ball seasons e.g Livingstone.

Still didn't stop them hoying Crawley in again, mind.

I think Stokes might decline. What then?! Jimmy for a year until Stokes says yes?

I don't get all this pecking order and selection on potential shite. You should pick players primarily on form as that's a better indicator of technique and mental resilience, whereas with the likes of Hameed and Crawley you have two mentally weak players who simply can't apply their supposedly textbook techniques.

Could you imagine England picking Chris Rushworth or Luke Fletcher on CC form? That's what Australia effectively did with Bolands, and he takes seven wickets on debut.

 

[Comeback_Kenwyne]

I don't get all this pecking order and selection on potential shite. You should pick players primarily on form as that's a better indicator of technique and mental resilience, whereas with the likes of Hameed and Crawley you have two mentally weak players who simply can't apply their supposedly textbook techniques.

Could you imagine England picking Chris Rushworth or Luke Fletcher on CC form? That's what Australia effectively did with Bolands, and he takes seven wickets on debut.

I just think Livingstone fulfilled all the criteria. If you have a player who has shown he is an elite, pushing world class performer in white ball cricket, has handled international pressure well, then that counts for something. It doesn't, unlike with Buttler and Roy selections, count for everything, but he has a much better historic red ball record than those two. He should have put himself in the frame, but then he f***ing averaged f***ing 10 or whatever it was and made himself unpickable.

I do think the white ball stuff counts for something. You look at a player like Ollie Pope, who is averaging 70 red ball this year and has a historic average that is frankly absurd. In days gone by, we'd blood someone like him in ODI cricket and then they'd come to red ball a bit hardened to international pressure. I hope and think that Malan is coming back a better player by virtue of being in more high pressure sitations due to his white ball prowess too. But with Pope, I don't buy this "only does it at the Oval" crap with him, the Oval is the most Australian pitch in country cricket. He's failing because he can't handle pressure.

Ollie Pope could easily have slotted into the ODI side a few times in last twelve months and got a taste of it. That's what joined-up management might have done, but of course we're f***ing clueless and we're only thinking about the f***ing T20 world cup.

This doesn't help with openers of course. But for middle order it does. Would you be picking Libby then at the top?

 

[Voice of fair play]

I just think Livingstone fulfilled all the criteria. If you have a player who has shown he is an elite, pushing world class performer in white ball cricket, has handled international pressure well, then that counts for something. It doesn't, unlike with Buttler and Roy selections, count for everything, but he has a much better historic red ball record than those two. He should have put himself in the frame, but then he f***ing averaged f***ing 10 or whatever it was and made himself unpickable.

I do think the white ball stuff counts for something. You look at a player like Ollie Pope, who is averaging 70 red ball this year and has a historic average that is frankly absurd. In days gone by, we'd blood someone like him in ODI cricket and then they'd come to red ball a bit hardened to international pressure. I hope and think that Malan is coming back a better player by virtue of being in more high pressure sitations due to his white ball prowess too. But with Pope, I don't buy this "only does it at the Oval" crap with him, the Oval is the most Australian pitch in country cricket. He's failing because he can't handle pressure.

Ollie Pope could easily have slotted into the ODI side a few times in last twelve months and got a taste of it. That's what joined-up management might have done, but of course we're f***ing clueless and we're only thinking about the f***ing T20 world cup.

This doesn't help with openers of course. But for middle order it does. Would you be picking Libby then at the top?

Think you make some really good points.

Take Malan for example, it’s no coincidence for me that the confidence he has gained by playing international cricket and doing very well in that, all be it T20, that has meant that when he has come back to test cricket he is more equipped mentally to perform well.

 

[smoker]

I just think Livingstone fulfilled all the criteria. If you have a player who has shown he is an elite, pushing world class performer in white ball cricket, has handled international pressure well, then that counts for something. It doesn't, unlike with Buttler and Roy selections, count for everything, but he has a much better historic red ball record than those two. He should have put himself in the frame, but then he f***ing averaged f***ing 10 or whatever it was and made himself unpickable.

I do think the white ball stuff counts for something. You look at a player like Ollie Pope, who is averaging 70 red ball this year and has a historic average that is frankly absurd. In days gone by, we'd blood someone like him in ODI cricket and then they'd come to red ball a bit hardened to international pressure. I hope and think that Malan is coming back a better player by virtue of being in more high pressure sitations due to his white ball prowess too. But with Pope, I don't buy this "only does it at the Oval" crap with him, the Oval is the most Australian pitch in country cricket. He's failing because he can't handle pressure.

Ollie Pope could easily have slotted into the ODI side a few times in last twelve months and got a taste of it. That's what joined-up management might have done, but of course we're f***ing clueless and we're only thinking about the f***ing T20 world cup.

This doesn't help with openers of course. But for middle order it does. Would you be picking Libby then at the top?

I think Libby, Lees, Haynes and Yates should be getting lots of games for the Lions. Sadly some chump arranged only one proper game then sent them home.

Think you make some really good points.

Take Malan for example, it’s no coincidence for me that the confidence he has gained by playing international cricket and doing very well in that, all be it T20, that has meant that when he has come back to test cricket he is more equipped mentally to perform well.

Malan needs to prove he can do it in England. As we saw in 17/18 he has a game suited to Australian conditions and its no surprise he's been one of our better batsmen.

 

[Voice of fair play]

I think Libby, Lees, Haynes and Yates should be getting lots of games for the Lions. Sadly some chump arranged only one proper game then sent them home.

Malan needs to prove he can do it in England. As we saw in 17/18 he has a game suited to Australian conditions and its no surprise he's been one of our better batsmen.

Yeah tbf could be renewed confidence, but yeah agree could equally be that Aussie wickets suit him better.

Guess time will tell, because one thing is for sure with our batting line up I imagine he will get a run in the side now!

 

[TheRey]

The point is you start off managing smaller, easier projects then move on to harder stuff. If you've demonstrated good leadership skills in the former it bodes well for the latter.

That said, I would be concerned about the number of injuries Ben gets, as well as his mental resilience given everything he's been through. If there was a stand out good veteran skipper in county cricket, I'd be inclined to bring them in, but I can't think of one (we're in a time of young captains).

Disagree about this. I think he'd be a fantastic captain, but shite batsman.

Said it before and I'll say it again, Burns would be an excellent skipper for England. His captaincy was a big reason we won the title in 2018.
Unfortunately, he just can't cement his place in the side

 

[Comeback_Kenwyne]

I think Libby, Lees, Haynes and Yates should be getting lots of games for the Lions. Sadly some chump arranged only one proper game then sent them home.

Malan needs to prove he can do it in England. As we saw in 17/18 he has a game suited to Australian conditions and its no surprise he's been one of our better batsmen.

Think he looked decent v India too tbf, but yes, this is his litmus test.

 

[mackembhoy]

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