LEICESTERSHIRE not Derbyshire, idiot.
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CC :: Glamorgan v Durham
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LEICESTERSHIRE not Derbyshire, idiot.
Steak Pie
Striker
Not sure what more you want? Four seamers, a left arm spinner with a very decent leggie as the 6th option. Can't really ask for more than that from an attack.
We bowled 450/15 in the match, and we were 350/4 before we started throwing the bat about. Losing 100 overs to the weather cost us the match, nothing else.
TravellingMackem
Winger
This. Full games play and we win that match 100 times out of 100. Nothing to worry about from that game, just bemoan the weather and move on. That’s cricket in April.
Twisted
Striker
I think winning the toss and getting to put them in made the game look more one sided than it actually was. Outside their first innings bat dominated ball by some margin.
Would have been a fantastic match to watch if it had gone the distance and yes I think we'd have won but there may have been some squeaky bums during a run chance
Would have been a fantastic match to watch if it had gone the distance and yes I think we'd have won but there may have been some squeaky bums during a run chance
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
Striker
solid start to the season
Don't wish to steal Brandon's thunder by starting the Leics thread but 2nd test Saffers v Bangladesh is over so Petersen should be here in good time.
smoker
Striker
Did you follow the game?
Borthwick and Trevaskis bowled 12 overs between them, virtually all of them after tea on the final day when the result was a formality.
We had them 65/4 or thereabouts after 20 overs, the ball had stopped seaming but we kept plugging away with the same RFM stuff from tired bowlers. Even the Glamorgan commentator was asking why Borthwick hadn't brought himself on, half an hour before he did.
This was a problem all last season and cost us wins against Derbyshire, Notts and Essex off the top of my head. IIRC SB even said in an interview with County Matters that we needed to get better at taking wickets with an old ball.
I'd be over the moon with the result in 2017 or 2018 but this stuff is going to hold back a very good team that should cruise promotion.
What I want is us to pick a team with more bowling variety and/or use that variety, pretty obvious from my previous posts I thought.
Who drops out when he arrives? Dickson?
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Steak Pie
Striker
Yeah, I was dipping in and out of the stream. You?
Looked a bit of dead surface with a bit of grass on it, probably more seamer friendly than any turn. It is famous for, and was commented on in this match, how it flattens out as the game goes on. We bowled well with the best of conditions on day one, but after that the bat was completely dominant (silly 20 minutes from us trying to whack it about excepted).
The reason he doesn't bring himself on more is that he's a part time leggie with a career average in the high 30s, He's very much an afterthought in the bowling. Now if we were going to play cricket in the summer you might see more of him, but given that we're playing most games in the spring and autumn, Scottie will remain a part timer in the CC. Our success has been built on a battery of seamers, and that's how it will stay for the most part with the odd cameo from Trev and Badger.
It's a decent mix of seam as well, we've got tall and bouncy ones, skiddy ones, seamers and swingers. It didn't go for us yesterday, such is life, but give us another 100 overs and we win that game comfortably.
Majority of those issues would be covered by someone who is genuinely quick - we have that in Carse, unfortunately he’s still making his way back from injury.
Aside from that, we should have a lad coming into the side shortly who’s made a career out of breaking partnerships
We lack a spinner no doubt, but I am not gonna criticise club too much for not prioritising it over our strengths
Borthwick can spin the ball, I thnik he has a lost belief
the move to Surrey on purely cricketing terms was a bad move for him, with bat and ball.
He was our first choice spinner, would bowl overs, and he was excellent in T20 IMO, gone backwards
I am sure it was a good life experience for him mind
Majority of those issues would be covered by someone who is genuinely quick - we have that in Carse, unfortunately he’s still making his way back from injury.
Aside from that, we should have a lad coming into the side shortly who’s made a career out of breaking partnerships
Aye,I agree with that, without him though we do look a bit flat in those periods, happened a lot last year
its not an easy thing to solve like, I guess we could have got a bowler over KP, but would have been a controverial decision
just when you see some of the names, especially the Pakistan lads coming over
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smoker
Striker
Trevaskis is a perfectly adequate off-spinner but, if the pitch isn't turning, he should be holding down an end to chew threw overs to the new ball and give the seamers a rest. This is standard use of an off-spinner in English conditions, but Badger isn't even using him in this capacity.
A leg spinner is more useful as a wild card to try and take wickets and SB seemed to be causing a few issues when he came on. He really struggled with his length last season and agree there appear to be a few confidence issues. I think, with the upturn in our batting performances, and assuming we don't lose Lees to England again, his value to the team is increasingly as an all-rounder, as demonstrated in the RLC last season. He has already looked less flaky batting a position lower down the order. I'd be tempted to swap him with Bedingham as five is too low for your best batter.
You might have a point smoker but it’s early April and I can see the priority of going with seam at this stage.
I still believe in borthwick as a top order batsman myself, he has the history of scoring consistent first division runs that probably merited and England go. Albeit I know that was years ago now.
smoker
Striker
At home yes, unless it's one of these funky dead wickets up the scoreboard end. Away, get the spinner on with the old ball. Critchley bowled 46 overs against Kent last week, with another 24 from Lawrence.
Badger's runs have been drying up for a few years now bro.
2021 (Durham): 23.7
2020 (Surrey): 19.2
2019 (Surrey): 30.04
2018 (Surrey): 40.36
2017 (Surrey): 24.77
2018 aside this isn't enough for a specialist batsman. We could have held onto Jack Burnham if we wanted a batsman who averaged mid-20's.
Mate, in this country, the ball swings even when it is 70 overs old. Why have a spinner on ‘chewing through overs’ when we could have a seamer on moving the ball through the air and potentially taking wickets…
I’d love to see Trev play a big part this season, the fact he’s a decent bat and an athlete in the field will help to stake his claim of staying in the side - but we have to be realistic about it, playing an offie is a luxury that we can only really ‘afford’ if he can bat a bit. The majority of the time unfortunately his selection for his bowling alone just won’t be warranted.
smoker
Striker
We weren't getting any movement through the air of the coverage I saw. The ball was seaming in off the deck for the first 20 overs, then it stopped.
We then had the sight of Raine (paradoxically one of our better old-ball seamers) blowing out of his arse on a six over spell getting clattered for 13 and Coughlin losing his rhythm and sending down some absolute gifts outside off-stump.
And it's not just about spin. It's simply about lack of alternatives to tired RFM bowlers with an old ball on a flat deck against a batsman with his "eye in". You need to be creative to take those wickets, you can't just keep banging the ball down at 80mph and hope lady luck is on your side. Even a medium pacer of the ilk of Colly, Hart or Thorp would be handy in these circumstances.
You lot won't be told like. I called it last season, when we had Carse to call on (who SB was overbowling) and those drawn games proved the difference between Div 1 and 2.
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I never claimed we were, merely stating that it does happen. Like in their first innings, when from absolutely nowhere and with an old ball we rolled them. You can’t criticise the skipper for trying to go down the same route that had been successful first time. I would agree that maybe he left it too long to change it, but I’m not going to dive in with both feet criticising on that one like.
No sense to that in this game, no arguments from me on that score.
As above.
Who is this ‘lot’ that you’re referring to?
I think if you go back and look I was saying similar things last season - it was a concern (which several people within the club said too) that we weren’t bowling teams out, but ultimately those games (Notts away, Derby home and away, etc) were similar to this one in the sense that we’d have pissed them if not for weather.
I still have doubts over Potts and Coughlin regarding how effective they can/will be. At present I still think neither are capable of being new ball/strike bowlers and that ideally we could do with someone else to be somewhere near as prolific as Rushy.
We had Brown/Betts when I first started going, we’ve had various effective double acts looking back during the glory years, but since Rushworth and Onions split we’ve lacked a partner for Rushy.
We are where we are though. So it’s either we keep working hard with what we’ve got, trying to nurture talent and believing in the lads we have - or we look to the outside to bring someone in. Liam Trevaskis isn’t fixing that particular problem.
Twisted
Striker
I guess England might have some day in this but I hope rushy and carse will be our main strike pair effort Potts and coughlin in short bursts and someone in the middle order who can back then up pretty well, whether that's doneathy, trevaskis or ideally both will be good enough bats to both get in the side?
Alot also depends on carse fitness and his/Potts/coughlin being good enough with the bat to have so many bowlers in the side as I think I'm sounding pretty optimistic
