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Calling SMB veg growers

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Can you not put a bit of netting over them? Keep the birds away

The bush is growing up against the allotment house wall and I have thought about somehow putting a net over and pin it to the wood but this is the first year the birds have been at them. I don't mind sharing berries and fruit with wildlife as long as they leave some behind for me. It's just that before I went on holiday a good fortnight ago the grapes were growing fine and I was ready to have a lil' sample when I was back there today. It seems easier to cover strawberries and various currents with nets and I do that every year. Raspberries and grapes I never have. But maybe I should consider it next year.

They still need a bit of sun to be ready. Today's samples were a wee bit sour yet.
 

The bush is growing up against the allotment house wall and I have thought about somehow putting a net over and pin it to the wood but this is the first year the birds have been at them. I don't mind sharing berries and fruit with wildlife as long as they leave some behind for me. It's just that before I went on holiday a good fortnight ago the grapes were growing fine and I was ready to have a lil' sample when I was back there today. It seems easier to cover strawberries and various currents with nets and I do that every year. Raspberries and grapes I never have. But maybe I should consider it next year.

They still need a bit of sun to be ready. Today's samples were a wee bit sour yet.
I've never grown grapes, but wouldn't it make sense to trim some of the leaves back so the grapes get the full sun to help ripen them up?
 
I've never grown grapes, but wouldn't it make sense to trim some of the leaves back so the grapes get the full sun to help ripen them up?

I do that twice during the season and will again this week-end. Would have done it today but two weeks away there were more urgent matters that needed sorting before Autum sets in. Tomorrow though a number of leaves will go and end up in my oven for tea with a spicey stuffing.
 
I've had a canny year. Got loads of taties and onions stored and have had constant supplies of carrots and beetroot for past few months. Tried sweet corn for the first time and got some nice cobs but the star for me were my climbing french beans. Put them in instead of the good old runner and they were superb. Will do similar next year. The f***ing wind blew the buggers down a couple of weeks ago though:mad:
 
I've had a canny year. Got loads of taties and onions stored and have had constant supplies of carrots and beetroot for past few months. Tried sweet corn for the first time and got some nice cobs but the star for me were my climbing french beans. Put them in instead of the good old runner and they were superb. Will do similar next year. The f***ing wind blew the buggers down a couple of weeks ago though:mad:

It has been a pretty good vegs and berry year, I agree. Never had a sugar snaps and an onion year like this but the carrots have been disappointing. And apart from the pear tree it hasn't been too good for fruits here. The plenty rain and occasional warmth seemed to make the plums explode and it looks like a poor apple year as well. But lots of lovely berries and vegs.

Tried sweet corn a couple of times but never a success.

Good year for apples it seems. Anyone else?

:cry:

Hazelnuts however look fab.
 
Two weeks away and come home to find that the blackbirds have been at the grapes this year. Still a few left.

Took this at the allotment a couple of hours ago, only shows one side of the bush so only about a fourth of the total grapes there.

Still, should be enough left for a snack when they are fully ready. :)

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Normally our strawberries get devoured by the birds when they look anything like they may soon be ripening. This year I had been away for a few weeks, and I went down the garden and I could smell over ripe strawberries starting to rot on the plants. It looked like the birds had not touched them. I scratched my head over that for a few days, but I think I have an idea what happened. I had planted various salad things in the next box. Some mustard leaves had starting growing wild in the box at the same time. With the iffy weather this year, while I was away the mustard leaves had fully grown and bolted, and were about 7 feet tall. I think the strong flavour of the leaves and the height of the bolted plants frightened the birds off of coming in. I am going to try and plant some mustard leaves around susceptible fruiting plants early next year and see if it does work as a deterrent.
 
So recently turned vegan, love the idea of growing my own food, how much land do you think would be needed to do this, would a bog standard allotment sustain one person year round?
 
Everything else has been rubbish for me this year. The runner beans were terrible. Rhubard was meek although it did fire up again in early August and again last week (I don't like to pick it after July though). Tomatos were hopeless. I have had a few tiny tomatoes that only started ripening a few weeks ago. I had some medium sized tomatoes that have given me a total of 3 fruits, and they are nowhere near ripening. I did alright with cucumbers, I've had quite a few. Beetroot came out ok, but it took forever. Carrots all came out tiny. Salad crops were all terrible, so many boltings. I planted a few boxes of salad, and some of them bolted within a week. I have even had bad luck with leeks. I planted about 50 of the things, and I currently have one remaining. The other things I could put down to bad weather etc., but why the leaks were affected I have no idea.

My courgettes were appalling this year as well. They are usually absolutely easy; Get them germinated, let them grow a bit and then stick them in the ground. This year they have been hopeless. I do not think I have had a single decent fruit from them. I am used to getting tonnes of flowers and loads of fruits. This year I think I have had hardly any flowers.

So recently turned vegan, love the idea of growing my own food, how much land do you think would be needed to do this, would a bog standard allotment sustain one person year round?

Probably. It would depend exactly what you intent to grow. You might struggle in early months of the year if you want to be totally self sufficient. It would be a lot of work initially, but if you plan it right it might be doable. You would think very carefully about what you plant and where you plant it, in regards to pest control and trying to discourage weeds. I do not think there is a huge amount that is edible coming out of an allotment between January and April (brussel sprouts and a few other things, others will probably offer a lot more), so it come down to the last of the previous years crops that you can store in sand or freeze etc.
 
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Everything else has been rubbish for me this year. The runner beans were terrible. Rhubard was meek although it did fire up again in early August and again last week (I don't like to pick it after July though). Tomatos were hopeless. I have had a few tiny tomatoes that only started ripening a few weeks ago. I had some medium sized tomatoes that have given me a total of 3 fruits, and they are nowhere near ripening. I did alright with cucumbers, I've had quite a few. Beetroot came out ok, but it took forever. Carrots all came out tiny. Salad crops were all terrible, so many boltings. I planted a few boxes of salad, and some of them bolted within a week. I have even had bad luck with leeks. I planted about 50 of the things, and I currently have one remaining. The other things I could put down to bad weather etc., but why the leaks were affected I have no idea.

My courgettes were appalling this year as well. They are usually absolutely easy; Get them germinated, let them grow a bit and then stick them in the ground. This year they have been hopeless. I do not think I have had a single decent fruit from them. I am used to getting tonnes of flowers and loads of fruits. This year I think I have had hardly any flowers.



Probably. It would depend exactly what you intent to grow. You might struggle in early months of the year if you want to be totally self sufficient. It would be a lot of work initially, but if you plan it right it might be doable. You would think very carefully about what you plant and where you plant it, in regards to pest control and trying to discourage weeds. I do not think there is a huge amount that is edible coming out of an allotment between January and April (brussel sprouts and a few other things, others will probably offer a lot more), so it come down to the last of the previous years crops that you can store in sand or freeze etc.


Thanks for the response, pretty pleased about that, not sure I fancy being up an allotment in January anyhow ;)
 
So recently turned vegan, love the idea of growing my own food, how much land do you think would be needed to do this, would a bog standard allotment sustain one person year round?
No because we don't have the climate. But an allotment or average suburban garden could see you self-sufficient for four to five months from May, with some things keeping going to early winter, and then the next things coming through from about March.

*Edit: based on a family of four. Obviously more mouths need more land, and fewer need less :)
 
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stonking year. They ripened really early this year and we've had an absolutely bumper crop both here and in France.
Mine are fantastic this year: lots of them, big, and very sweet. The pears are fantastic as well - a bumper crop.
 
Mine are fantastic this year: lots of them, big, and very sweet. The pears are fantastic as well - a bumper crop.
I planted another apple tree, a pear and a plum earlier this year so looking forward to see what next year brings. Got some rhubarb crowns in as well and they seem to have taken well, but I'm not cropping to let the plant strengthen up for its first year.
 
Got my allotment a few months back. Got loads of salad, beetroot, turnips, spinach leaf, pak choi, lettuce and radishes. Got a load of courgettes aswell from a single plant. Place needs a fair bit of work over the winter to get all ready for next year but really looking forward to it.
How easy is pak choi to grow? I'm guessing like any other salady type crop? Do you have to do owt to e.g. keep the slugs off?
 
No because we don't have the climate. But an allotment or average suburban garden could see you self-sufficient for four to five months from May, with some things keeping going to early winter, and then the next things coming through from about March.

*Edit: based on a family of four. Obviously more mouths need more land, and fewer need less :)

@Bagpuss But if you have a decent greenhouse, and you use the latest technological offerings that are out there, you can extend the seasons a bit. And then if you produce enough that you can freeze a lot of it for use through the winter. So for example, if you have tonnes of carrots, and beans and stuff, you could make loads of soup. If you store them right a lot of vegetables can be kept for a month or two in the home, and things like leaks and most roots vegetables can be kept into the new year if they are stored in sand and in the normal British climate.

It also depends on what varieties you get and when you plant them. Some brussell sprout varieties can be left till as late as February before being picked. Then you have options with well stored potatoes, and beetroots and carrots for lots of different meals in the winter months. With the right varieties germinated early enough you might start getting new crops in April and May, depending on what it is. I think the thing is that if you are being self sufficient you need to expect to have periods where you be eating a lot of one thing. I've had times when I was a kid where we had all of our vegetables and most of our fruit from a fairly unplanned plot from around May until November. Really it was only the storage that stopped us from living off of it all year around.

And there is also the option of pickling things like cucumbers and onions, making jams and chutneys with berries and fruits, the old traditional ways people used to stretch out the crops into the harder months. Some things take a few years to actually produce useful fruit (like gooseberries, and rhubarb). Some have a very narrow window of harvest so you need to pick them and turn them into jam or something if you do not want to waste them. You soon realise how many airmiles go into keeping strawberries and raspberries on the shelves all year round when you have been living off of your own plot.

Also, don't forget about herbs. They are often more trouble than they are worth trying to grow from seed, so the B and Q plants for a few quid a go can be a good alternative. If you bang some basil and mint, and rosemary in, maybe some thyme, lavender etc. Thats is mate, you've got a lot of flavours and all sorts there.

And if you've got kids, they love it all. My two and half year old nephew has been out there all Summer helping me get all sorts done! "That's mint needs watering Uncle! Can I water the beetroots? Can I pick a carrot please? Look! Look! Its a tomato!!!! You need to put down some grass seed there Uncle, I'll water it and then tap it in." It's great :)

I managed so it must be easy! Yeah was just the same as any other salad, think i used liquid seaweed on it once a week. The slugs were a set of bastards!

That is something I tried for the first time this year, and after several planting with different seeds, I got absolutely nothing. It has been a very strange year for me.
 
@Bagpuss But if you have a decent greenhouse, and you use the latest technological offerings that are out there, you can extend the seasons a bit. And then if you produce enough that you can freeze a lot of it for use through the winter. So for example, if you have tonnes of carrots, and beans and stuff, you could make loads of soup. If you store them right a lot of vegetables can be kept for a month or two in the home, and things like leaks and most roots vegetables can be kept into the new year if they are stored in sand and in the normal British climate.

It also depends on what varieties you get and when you plant them. Some brussell sprout varieties can be left till as late as February before being picked. Then you have options with well stored potatoes, and beetroots and carrots for lots of different meals in the winter months. With the right varieties germinated early enough you might start getting new crops in April and May, depending on what it is. I think the thing is that if you are being self sufficient you need to expect to have periods where you be eating a lot of one thing. I've had times when I was a kid where we had all of our vegetables and most of our fruit from a fairly unplanned plot from around May until November. Really it was only the storage that stopped us from living off of it all year around.

And there is also the option of pickling things like cucumbers and onions, making jams and chutneys with berries and fruits, the old traditional ways people used to stretch out the crops into the harder months. Some things take a few years to actually produce useful fruit (like gooseberries, and rhubarb). Some have a very narrow window of harvest so you need to pick them and turn them into jam or something if you do not want to waste them. You soon realise how many airmiles go into keeping strawberries and raspberries on the shelves all year round when you have been living off of your own plot.

Also, don't forget about herbs. They are often more trouble than they are worth trying to grow from seed, so the B and Q plants for a few quid a go can be a good alternative. If you bang some basil and mint, and rosemary in, maybe some thyme, lavender etc. Thats is mate, you've got a lot of flavours and all sorts there.

And if you've got kids, they love it all. My two and half year old nephew has been out there all Summer helping me get all sorts done! "That's mint needs watering Uncle! Can I water the beetroots? Can I pick a carrot please? Look! Look! Its a tomato!!!! You need to put down some grass seed there Uncle, I'll water it and then tap it in." It's great :)



That is something I tried for the first time this year, and after several planting with different seeds, I got absolutely nothing. It has been a very strange year for me.
Not sure which variety i used but sure i got them from wilko.
 
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