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“I understand the kids have three formats to play and I know it is difficult to change between them, I accept it.

But they have coaches teaching them T20 but not Test cricket. All the kids at Yorkshire are being taught in the nets is T20.

All the administrators promote is T20 and we're getting this Hundred-ball competition next year! All they want is money, they don't care.

Some kids don't want to slog it but that's all they are taught.”
 

dangermows said:
He's the king of stating the obvious. It's not just an English issue, it is a cricket issue.
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This excuse gets wheeled out a bit. I disagree. It's true standards of test batting might have diminished slightly, but it's also an English issue.

Just look at the way the Aussies have gone about this. Nearly all their batsman, other than Smith,Warner and Khawaja were playing red ball cricket, many in the country championship.

They've picked condition specific seamers. They got the Duke ball in their first class competition to adapt to it.

They've basically shown a willingness to prioritise red ball cricket. Labuschmagne hasn't been hiding in the outback, he's been playing for Glamorgan!

More than any other team, we have tried to cram white ball players into red ball cricket. I don't know if its blind faith, or in-crowd chumminess, but sending a team out with Roy, Stokes, Bairstow, Buttler all in (and Ali and Curran in games gone past) isn't test cricket. If the county top order players are poor, so be it. But you have to pick proper batsman, people who are playing red ball cricket.

In future we should pick two blasters only, which at the moment would be Stokes and Bairstow. If Curran, Buttler, Roy want to get in the team they have to run them up or wait for those two to dip in form.
 
The woman commentator he sits with is a superb mind, really knows her stuff. Corrected him a couple of times this evening.
Comeback_Kenwyne said:
This excuse gets wheeled out a bit. I disagree. It's true standards of test batting might have diminished slightly, but it's also an English issue.

Just look at the way the Aussies have gone about this. Nearly all their batsman, other than Smith,Warner and Khawaja were playing red ball cricket, many in the country championship.

They've picked condition specific seamers. They got the Duke ball in their first class competition to adapt to it.

They've basically shown a willingness to prioritise red ball cricket. Labuschmagne hasn't been hiding in the outback, he's been playing for Glamorgan!

More than any other team, we have tried to cram white ball players into red ball cricket. I don't know if its blind faith, or in-crowd chumminess, but sending a team out with Roy, Stokes, Bairstow, Buttler all in (and Ali and Curran in games gone past) isn't test cricket. If the county top order players are poor, so be it. But you have to pick proper batsman, people who are playing red ball cricket.

In future we should pick two blasters only, which at the moment would be Stokes and Bairstow. If Curran, Buttler, Roy want to get in the team they have to run them up or wait for those two to dip in form.
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Not long ago the Aussies were shite and we were running through them. It'll go full circle again. And just look at Australia ms test teams of old compared to now, no contest. They might be better than us at the moment but in the grand scheme of things they too are nowt flash as a side truth be told.

Mind I will certainly concede they have put more effort into test cricket last few years. Seems like thtyve been on a mission for some time, probably since we spanked them in their own back yard.
 
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dangermows said:
The woman commentator he sits with is a superb mind, really knows her stuff. Corrected him a couple of times this evening.


Not long ago the Aussies were shite and we were running through them. It'll go full circle again. And just look at Australia ms test teams of old compared to now, no contest. They might be better than us at the moment but in the grand scheme of things they too are nowt flash as a side truth be told.
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They are no great shakes with the bat, but they are trying to master unfamiliar conditions against an outstanding attack. They've struggled to do that even with very good batting line ups this century. They only piled them up in the 90s because our bowling then was as bad as batting now. It'll always be difficult for them to bat here, it's just a big adaption.

But they look more natural than us because they have prepared properly, selected properly - and that is inexcusable.

Our bowlers have been bailing our batsman out for about three or four years - and we've kept on going with the same white-ball players will come good strategy. It's a nonsense. And saying - oh it's everyone, it's a structural thing - is letting them off way too lightly imo.
 
Comeback_Kenwyne said:
They are no great shakes with the bat, but they are trying to master unfamiliar conditions against an outstanding attack. They've struggled to do that even with very good batting line ups this century. They only piled them up in the 90s because our bowling then was as bad as batting now. It'll always be difficult for them to bat here, it's just a big adaption.

But they look more natural than us because they have prepared properly, selected properly - and that is inexcusable.

Our bowlers have been bailing our batsman out for about three or four years - and we've kept on going with the same white-ball players will come good strategy. It's a nonsense. And saying - oh it's everyone, it's a structural thing - is letting them off way too lightly imo.
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Good post.

However, it is everyone. Just some less so than others. The standard of test cricket, across the globe, has dropped considerably overall.

The way some are talking its as if the Aussies have prioritised the Ashes in the same way we did the Derby games against the mags. Should be about more than that tbf.

And agreed, I've been saying our batting line up is very poor for God knows how long now.
 
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Some of these lads with blooming averages that everyone raves about I STILL see as just sloggers, limited over players. Might have got a couple of tests back in the day if teams were desperate & batted at number 6 or so...

When this all changed imo was when KP came into the England side in place of Graham Thorpe. He was basically a slogger but carved out a great career had such a good eye & a pair of balls.
 
Mackem DJ said:
Some of these lads with blooming averages that everyone raves about I STILL see as just sloggers, limited over players. Might have got a couple of tests back in the day if teams were desperate & batted at number 6 or so...

When this all changed imo was when KP came into the England side in place of Graham Thorpe. He was basically a slogger but carved out a great career had such a good eye & a pair of balls.
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Isn’t Thorpe the batting coach now? Genuine question. If so I wonder what he tells them?
 
Mackem DJ said:
Some of these lads with blooming averages that everyone raves about I STILL see as just sloggers, limited over players. Might have got a couple of tests back in the day if teams were desperate & batted at number 6 or so...

When this all changed imo was when KP came into the England side in place of Graham Thorpe. He was basically a slogger but carved out a great career had such a good eye & a pair of balls.
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KP was a bit of a slogger but he was f***ing streets ahead of someone like Roy. Roy has been appalling should be nowhere near the test side.
 
Stating the bleeding obvious here but most of our batsmen don't play 4 day cricket. Solutions? T20 international cricket is a waste of time (we have enough top-quality T20 in India/Australia/England), it should be done away with and the time it takes replaced with extra tour games. Have 3 blocks of T20 leagues (Europe/WI in August, NZ/Aus/SA in December, Asia in March) to allow more time for international cricketers to play 4 day cricket. And please, please, play the CC continuously from April-August with the T20 afterwards.
 
The fact of the matter is Australia are more prepared for Test cricket in England than England. Absolute shambolic by those incharge.

The Aussies have had a game plan to win The Ashes in England and it has worked. We have had a game plan to win the World Cup and have neglected the Test side as a result of that.
I'm glad we won the World Cup and will look back on that more than winning another home Ashes series but the way we have prepared and played Test cricket for the last few years has been an absolute shambles.
We got bowled out for 85 against Ireland! Our batting is an absolute joke.
 
dangermows said:
He's the king of stating the obvious. It's not just an English issue, it is a cricket issue.
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Of course it is, time and time again people are complaining the ECB have changed this focus to to shorter format, when in reality it is a worldwide thing, every country has done that.

Kids in India will want to play in the IPL and the West Indies have more focussed on the shorter format for years.

The whole of cricket in almost every country in the world has put more focus on T20.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Of course it is, time and time again people are complaining the ECB have changed this focus to to shorter format, when in reality it is a worldwide thing, every country has done that.

Kids in India will want to play in the IPL and the West Indies have more focussed on the shorter format for years.

The whole of cricket in almost every country in the world has put more focus on T20.
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Its affecting England the most though
 
Jack Torrance said:
Its affecting England the most though
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Yeah fair enough, not saying it’s right just saying it’s a worldwide trend not just a English thing.

Think what also needs to be taken into account is the Aussies bowlers are also very very good better than I thought they would be in English conditions.

Mind no excuse whatsoever for f***ing 60 off all out.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Yeah fair enough, not saying it’s right just saying it’s a worldwide trend not just a English thing.

Think what also needs to be taken into account is the Aussies bowlers are also very very good better than I thought they would be in English conditions.

Mind no excuse whatsoever for f***ing 60 off all out.
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Aussie attack is better than ours as is India's.

Our players dont play enough red ball cricket. Aussies had Siddle, Bancroft, Labuschagne all playing in England before the series. How often do English players play first class cricket in other countries before a series in fact when was the last series England prepared properly for

They need to make some big changes to the set up if they want to become a half decent test side again
 
Jack Torrance said:
Aussie attack is better than ours as is India's.

Our players dont play enough red ball cricket. Aussies had Siddle, Bancroft, Labuschagne all playing in England before the series. How often do English players play first class cricket in other countries before a series in fact when was the last series England prepared properly for

They need to make some big changes to the set up if they want to become a half decent test side again
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As per above, the ECB stop them from playing red ball cricket. Always remember a game when Durham were in play at home, and Stokes was sat on the balcony and done a couple of hour net sessions, said he would rather be playing but it's out of his hands. I'm sure he isn't the only one who thinks like that. Been the case for years mind with so many players.
 
Jack Torrance said:
Aussie attack is better than ours as is India's.

Our players dont play enough red ball cricket. Aussies had Siddle, Bancroft, Labuschagne all playing in England before the series. How often do English players play first class cricket in other countries before a series in fact when was the last series England prepared properly for

They need to make some big changes to the set up if they want to become a half decent test side again
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Take your point but that’s only 3 players and only 1 of them is in the side, so that’s not exactly a compelling argument.

However of course I agree some changes need to be made but as has been said batting in test matches has become more diffcult worldwide.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Take your point but that’s only 3 players and only 1 of them is in the side, so that’s not exactly a compelling argument.

However of course I agree some changes need to be made but as has been said batting in test matches has become more diffcult worldwide.
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Point is they prepare better, and the one who's in the side looks a million miles better than our batsman. I'd be tempted to make 6 or 7 changes for the next test. We need to start preparing for the winter and we need to find some batsmen quickly.
 
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