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At the end of the day it'll all comes down to wealth, rich black people don't want poor black people living never them, rich black people are/will get treat better than poor black people and rich black families will go on to have better lives JUST LIKE RICH WHITE PEOPLE/ FAMILES...
 
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RichD said:
At the end of the day it'll all comes down to wealth, rich black people don't want poor black people living never them, rich black people are/will get treat better than poor black people and rich black families will go on to have better lives JUST LIKE RICH WHITE PEOPLE/ FAMILES...
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At the end of the day it'll all comes down to wealth, rich white people don't want rich black people living never[sic] them, rich white people are/will get treat better than rich black people and rich white families will go on to have better lives NOT LIKE RICH WHITE PEOPLE/ FAMILES...

Rich and poor is a different issue completely.
 
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Baz said:
The whole slogan is completely f***ing wrong. Notice the uproar at White Lives Matter, well guess what, Black Lives Matter is wrong and f***ing ignorant too.

In a roundabout way it suggest white lives don't matter, which is completely wrong too.

I'm all for what BLM, is supposed to stand for, but the choice of slogan and the looting and thuggery that's come along with it has made sure thid campaign will cause more harm that good.

All that will come from all this is more racial division and confrontation and that is a fact.
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What a completely ignorant response.

It doesn’t mean white lives don’t at all, it’s patently obvious white lives matter it’s not even a debate. People just want black lives to matter as much as white lives, which currently they do not.

Also trying to judge a movement by its worst participants is ridiculous, it isn’t a centralised or organised movement. Besides I’d argue it has already done far more good anyway.

There was already too much racial division, it is about time people started confronting it. You should also ask yourself why there has been so much confrontation against equality?
 
The whole thing from the logo to the name has been designed to stir the pot, some black bloke on question time for 30 minutes doesn’t get people’s attention like black and white people fighting in the street and protesting
flanny1 said:
What a completely ignorant response.

It doesn’t mean white lives don’t at all, it’s patently obvious white lives matter it’s not even a debate. People just want black lives to matter as much as white lives, which currently they do not.

Also trying to judge a movement by its worst participants is ridiculous, it isn’t a centralised or organised movement. Besides I’d argue it has already done far more good anyway.

There was already too much racial division, it is about time people started confronting it. You should also ask yourself why there has been so much confrontation against equality?
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Why is the logoa black fist? it’s not exactly a peaceful symbol the whole thing from the name to the logo has been designed to stir the pot and grab the headlines by causing unrest imo
 
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Mickdundee said:
At the end of the day it'll all comes down to wealth, rich white people don't want rich black people living never[sic] them, rich white people are/will get treat better than rich black people and rich white families will go on to have better lives NOT LIKE RICH WHITE PEOPLE/ FAMILES...

Rich and poor is a different issue completely.
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I don't think it is, some black people in this country and in the US are very wealthy people, they've been that because of hard work and because they haven't been stopped from doing it. It's very easy to preach when your bellys and bank accounts are full. However do those who are championing the BLM movement know that the founders have a Marxist agenda ? Would they be happy to have all their wealth turned over to the state if BLM movement ever became a political party and got into power?
 
Whitburnmakem said:
The whole thing from the logo to the name has been designed to stir the pot, some black bloke on question time for 30 minutes doesn’t get people’s attention like black and white people fighting in the street and protesting

Why is the logoa black fist? it’s not exactly a peaceful symbol the whole thing from the name to the logo has been designed to stir the pot and grab the headlines by causing unrest imo
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It isn’t a centralised movement, there is no body picking a logo, people are choosing a symbol used in the fight for civil rights across the world.

I think you’re projecting a lot with your interpretation of the symbol anyway. I see it as a show of defiance and solidarity against oppression. I honestly cannot see how anyone can be triggered by standing up to oppression unless of course you want the oppression to continue?

Also as an aside why wouldn’t they want to grab headlines or cause unrest? That’s pretty much the point of a protest.
 
RichD said:
I don't think it is, some black people in this country and in the US are very wealthy people, they've been that because of hard work and because they haven't been stopped from doing it. It's very easy to preach when your bellys and bank accounts are full.
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I’ve seen this a lot. Are wealthy black people immune from racism or something?
 
Mickdundee said:
I’ve seen this a lot. Are wealthy black people immune from racism or something?
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Not necessarily rich but prominent, I was quite shocked to hear the extent a top professor in astrophysics would still be subjected to racism and how even he lives in a state of constant suspicion against him.

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RichD said:
Did I say they were ? However are the poorest white people including travellers and gypsies immune from racism and discrimination ?
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As I said, poverty and racism are separate issues.

Again, nobody said travellers aren’t subject to discrimination nor that it’s acceptable, but unless you were already aware you wouldn’t know that a traveller was a traveller just by seeing them walking down the street so less likely to be subject to racism based purely on their appearance.
 
blf said:
"All our arguments as white people are done from a position of privilege". I heard that statement today and thought it was bollocks. It was from a woman on the radio who then explained that people of privilege are worried that the BLM campaign and protests from BAME are aimed at taking something from them . its not its trying to get the same things we take for granted.
I thought that "all lives matter" or "so do white lives"were the perfect reply but its not. The more I looked into it I realised that White lives always matter and no one is saying that they don't or doing things that would give you that impression but a whole race of people need to know that BLM and we stand by them.
This lady also asked that if people don't believe there is racism in this country ask yourself how many jobs you have gone for where you have been worried you might not get it because you are white.

This campaign / movement has changed how I think and feel about racism.
I would never have stood for being called a racist because Im not a racist but its not enough, we have to be anti racists.
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I think this argument is both wrong and divisive.
Firstly the privilege as it were is cultural and results as being part of a group and has very little to do with the colour of your skin. What happens to my white privilege if I move to china? If I move to a black country will my white privilege still be king or will I be trumped by their black privilege. The privilege these people speak of is the result of being part of a group and because humans like to be with people similar to themselves. The more closely you are identified to the group the more this privilege applies to you. Skin colour as such is simply one of a infinite number of factors which decides where on the privilege ladder you sit.

When BLM say you have white privilege the natural response is to say something like what about a wealthy black premier league footballer, are you saying he is less privileged than a white homeless man. They then come back and say but if the black man and white man are both homeless then it's easier for the white man to get out of it.... that's what white privilege is.
That kind of makes sense but then if you break it down further and take these two homeless men one white and one black and say what if the black guy speaks good English in the white guy is Pole and can't speak a word of it, who will find it easier to get off the streets. In that situation I would say the white guy would find it more difficult so what happened to his white privilege.

Culturally the UK is White, English speaking and Christian the closer you fit into that group the stronger your privilege will be as you're more entrenched in the culture, Skin colour is a factor but no more so than language, accent, religion, health. wealth, looks, body shape, hobbies etc etc etc.
To prove the point if you are your typical white christian English speaking person and you are given the choice between a English speaking black guy born and bread in your city who likes football, booze and birds just like you, and a white French speaking Muslim from Algeria, who would you rather work, socialise spend time with? How far did the colour of the Algerians skin get him.
 
Lionel Hutzz said:
No I didn’t I stated as I always had that I made a naive comment on the numbers based on a biased documentary. I’ve never denied saying that and have said I’m sorry and now changed my mind
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I got you mixed up with @Lefty Frizzell again. I had wrongly suggested he had said it but it was you. Fair enough on changing your mind
 
Baz said:
The whole slogan is completely f***ing wrong. Notice the uproar at White Lives Matter, well guess what, Black Lives Matter is wrong and f***ing ignorant too.

In a roundabout way it suggest white lives don't matter, which is completely wrong too.
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But it doesn't suggest that?
 
AndyH said:
I think this argument is both wrong and divisive.
Firstly the privilege as it were is cultural and results as being part of a group and has very little to do with the colour of your skin. What happens to my white privilege if I move to china? If I move to a black country will my white privilege still be king or will I be trumped by their black privilege. The privilege these people speak of is the result of being part of a group and because humans like to be with people similar to themselves. The more closely you are identified to the group the more this privilege applies to you. Skin colour as such is simply one of a infinite number of factors which decides where on the privilege ladder you sit.

When BLM say you have white privilege the natural response is to say something like what about a wealthy black premier league footballer, are you saying he is less privileged than a white homeless man. They then come back and say but if the black man and white man are both homeless then it's easier for the white man to get out of it.... that's what white privilege is.
That kind of makes sense but then if you break it down further and take these two homeless men one white and one black and say what if the black guy speaks good English in the white guy is Pole and can't speak a word of it, who will find it easier to get off the streets. In that situation I would say the white guy would find it more difficult so what happened to his white privilege.

Culturally the UK is White, English speaking and Christian the closer you fit into that group the stronger your privilege will be as you're more entrenched in the culture, Skin colour is a factor but no more so than language, accent, religion, health. wealth, looks, body shape, hobbies etc etc etc.
To prove the point if you are your typical white christian English speaking person and you are given the choice between a English speaking black guy born and bread in your city who likes football, booze and birds just like you, and a white French speaking Muslim from Algeria, who would you rather work, socialise spend time with? How far did the colour of the Algerians skin get him.
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That little nuance may partly explain why you don't always see the same % of the population represented in certain jobs. Some employers will be looking at how someone will fit in with the existing workplace culture and impact the team dynamics, meaning that certain people may not necessarily be overlooked for a job due to their gender or skin colour per se, but some employers will be sticking with what they know & replicating the type of person they already have and have things in common with. There's the work hard play hard culture in certain places & like it or not networking is important - many promotions would have been made on the golf course, in the pub or at sporting venues.
 
flanny1 said:
It isn’t a centralised movement, there is no body picking a logo, people are choosing a symbol used in the fight for civil rights across the world.

I think you’re projecting a lot with your interpretation of the symbol anyway. I see it as a show of defiance and solidarity against oppression. I honestly cannot see how anyone can be triggered by standing up to oppression unless of course you want the oppression to continue?

Also as an aside why wouldn’t they want to grab headlines or cause unrest? That’s pretty much the point of a protest.
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Grabbing headlines by causing unrest it’s a world wide talking point
 
flanny1 said:
It isn’t a centralised movement, there is no body picking a logo, people are choosing a symbol used in the fight for civil rights across the world.

I think you’re projecting a lot with your interpretation of the symbol anyway. I see it as a show of defiance and solidarity against oppression. I honestly cannot see how anyone can be triggered by standing up to oppression unless of course you want the oppression to continue?

Also as an aside why wouldn’t they want to grab headlines or cause unrest? That’s pretty much the point of a protest.
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People have to be so opionated on social media.
It's either right or wrong these days and you have to decide which side of the fence you sit, no matter what, and God forbid you change your mind.
BLM is designed to create discussion and awaken people to racism, it's not going to change most people's opinions if your a racist or not, assume that is ingrained into your personality, by your parents, friends or what's happened to you in your life, maybe where you live also.
Hopefully it's a little step to awaken people that racism isn't swept under the carpet, it's alive in every country unfortunately.
 
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