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Grimes said:
Complete fool to do it given this was a big talking point just a few weeks ago with that same ref. The FA even come out and said they agree it’s violent conduct and a red so the refs are going to be laser focused on it until the new talking point arrives.
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I take it you mean this?

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Carrick argued Martinez's sending-off was a clear and obvious error by Tierney, as he was "off balance and grappling", adding the action was "not a pull, not a tug, not aggressive".

But after reviewing the footage, the panel wrote they could not say with confidence the contact by Martinez was small because Calvert-Lewin "had reacted in a manner that suggested that he had felt a certain amount of force exerted upon his hair/scalp".

How is shirt pulling suddenly accepted as being "normal" in the way Ballard was pulling the player with both his hands? You see shouts for shirt pulling fouls all the time from fans even when it's next to nowt and then moaning when a ref doesn't give it. Why is it when it comes to a defender grabbing Brobbey's shirt we see claims for a foul every time? Though on many occasions Brobbey is grabbing just as much of the defender's shirt?

The problem with Ballard's "shirt pull" is that the player's hair wasn't even near his shirt name on his back, it's up around his lower neck area. Ballard had hold of his hair for a sustained length of time and was clearly pulling it with force and it looks like the FA aren't giving any leeway on this, accidental or not so an appeal would be pointless.

Roker Mackem said:
So not in the rules then. Making stuff up as they go along
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As I said, it's been around a while and it is actually in the rules. This is from September 2024. It's clear that there's force in the pull, accidental or not.

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Additional guidance

In this section violent conduct is explained, specifically detailing what it takes for a red card to be administered off the ball.

Considerations​

A player who is not challenging for the ball will be sent off if they:
-use or attempt to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent, teammate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made
-deliberately strike an opponent or any other person on the head or face with their hand or arm, unless the force used was negligible
-make a clear forward movement with their head resulting in contact with the head or face of an opponent or any other person, unless the force used was negligible
-clearly make forceful contact by holding or grabbing the throat/neck area, or gouges the eye of an opponent or any other person
-make a clear action to pull the hair of an opponent or any other person with force
 
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK said:
I take it you mean this?

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Carrick argued Martinez's sending-off was a clear and obvious error by Tierney, as he was "off balance and grappling", adding the action was "not a pull, not a tug, not aggressive".

But after reviewing the footage, the panel wrote they could not say with confidence the contact by Martinez was small because Calvert-Lewin "had reacted in a manner that suggested that he had felt a certain amount of force exerted upon his hair/scalp".

How is shirt pulling suddenly accepted as being "normal" in the way Ballard was pulling the player with both his hands? You see shouts for shirt pulling fouls all the time from fans even when it's next to nowt and then moaning when a ref doesn't give it. Why is it when it comes to a defender grabbing Brobbey's shirt we see claims for a foul every time? Though on many occasions Brobbey is grabbing just as much of the defender's shirt?

The problem with Ballard's "shirt pull" is that the player's hair wasn't even near his shirt name on his back, it's up around his lower neck area. Ballard had hold of his hair for a sustained length of time and was clearly pulling it with force and it looks like the FA aren't giving any leeway on this, accidental or not so an appeal would be pointless.


As I said, it's been around a while and it is actually in the rules. This is from September 2024. It's clear that there's force in the pull, accidental or not.

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Additional guidance

In this section violent conduct is explained, specifically detailing what it takes for a red card to be administered off the ball.

Considerations​

A player who is not challenging for the ball will be sent off if they:
-use or attempt to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent, teammate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made
-deliberately strike an opponent or any other person on the head or face with their hand or arm, unless the force used was negligible
-make a clear forward movement with their head resulting in contact with the head or face of an opponent or any other person, unless the force used was negligible
-clearly make forceful contact by holding or grabbing the throat/neck area, or gouges the eye of an opponent or any other person
-make a clear action to pull the hair of an opponent or any other person with force
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Needs ammending
 
Roker Mackem said:
Needs ammending
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This!

It's the laws of the game that are causing the shit and they need revising sooner rather than later! The recent hair pulls haven't really been malicious in any way and should be yellows at most and certainly not a red, yet the FA thinks it's shouldn't be tolerated at all.

This is a red all day long as Romero did it on purpose.

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This isn't a shirt pull tussle but it's still blatant hair pulling for no reason so a red for being a knacker.

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seahamstar said:
How?
By shoving their own hair in their opponents hand?

It's fairly simple - keep hands to yourself - dont pull opponents hair - no red Card
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So if a player decides to grow 4ft long hair, and a 10-inch beard, and run around jostling with defenders all game with it all flopping all over the place, is the defender then forced to keep his arms behind his back in case they accidentally grab hair instead of a shirt/shoulder, whereas Cousin It can shirt pull until the cows come home, because the defenders are all bald and clean shaven? It's farcical nonsense.
 
Ilios said:
So if a player decides to grow 4ft long hair, and a 10-inch beard, and run around jostling with defenders all game with it all flopping all over the place, is the defender then forced to keep his arms behind his back in case they accidentally grab hair instead of a shirt/shoulder, whereas Cousin It can shirt pull until the cows come home, because the defenders are all bald and clean shaven? It's farcical nonsense.
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Absolutely. The easiest and quickest solution is for all long hair to be tied up and secured and nee floppy loose man buns and that would include Mundle if he hasn't gone bald by the time he's fit
 
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YorkMackem said:
Absolutely. The easiest and quickest solution is for all long hair to be tied up and secured and nee floppy loose man buns and that would include Mundle if he hasn't gone bald by the time he's fit
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It should be mandatory from a H & S perspective, that all players whose hair is long enough to be tie up, must be tied up. The rules of hair-pulling also have to change, the current rules are a complete absurdity. A 3-game ban for accidentally pulling someones hair man 😄
 
Ilios said:
So if a player decides to grow 4ft long hair, and a 10-inch beard, and run around jostling with defenders all game with it all flopping all over the place, is the defender then forced to keep his arms behind his back in case they accidentally grab hair instead of a shirt/shoulder, whereas Cousin It can shirt pull until the cows come home, because the defenders are all bald and clean shaven? It's farcical nonsense.
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Ok.
Having hair the length of your back with it 'flopping all over the place' is a little bit different to an opponent deliberately pulling your hair, which is what was deemed to have happened yesterday.

There's only one person who knows for definite whether it was deliberate, but the call was made that it warranted a red card.

If it wasn't deliberate, then he was unlucky, but the ref/var had a decision to make and made what they thought was the correct one.

By grabbing an opponents hair, you run the risk of being sent off.
 
I think it’s open discrimination against baldies tbh. You wouldn’t see Andrew Johnson or Thierry Henry get an opponent sent off in that context. Justice for the baldies.
 
seahamstar said:
Ok.
Having hair the length of your back with it 'flopping all over the place' is a little bit different to an opponent deliberately pulling your hair, which is what was deemed to have happened yesterday.

There's only one person who knows for definite whether it was deliberate, but the call was made that it warranted a red card.

If it wasn't deliberate, then he was unlucky, but the ref/var had a decision to make and made what they thought was the correct one.

By grabbing an opponents hair, you run the risk of being sent off.
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The current rules NECESSARILY favour players with long hair. That is ridiculous, and it shouldn't happen.
 
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