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Ballard

The Beautiful Game said:
I don’t think it’s intentional tbf. He goes to grab his shirt the same way brobbey gets grabbed all game and the hair is in the way.

It’s a red card under the rules, but the rule is a joke.

Come to think of it, Brobbey should grow his hair or wear a wig. We’d have every team down to 8 or 9
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Agree but he did have his braid in his hand...and that was the first still shot/freeze frame shown to the referee for the first 3-4 seconds which takes it out of context, but at the end of the day it's a red after what has happened in the last couple of weeks.
 

So all players just grow stupidly long hair or get extensions and there’s no shirt pulling because you’d get a handful of hair.

He didn’t go to pull his hair.

First hair like this cause an issue if it hits people in the eye???
 
The Shepherd said:
Agree but he did have his braid in his hand...and that was the first still shot/freeze frame shown to the referee for the first 3-4 seconds which takes it out of context, but at the end of the day it's a red after what has happened in the last couple of weeks.
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I get that. No arguments, other than the rule should be changed. I just don’t think he intended to pull his hair. Was expecting to see it thinking Ballard must be stupid after the last couple of weeks. Having seen it back I think it’s unlucky.
 
From the very referee who first decided to make a ludicrous point of this rule by sending Martinez off. He didn't have to send him off.

"Reckless Action (Yellow/Red Card): If a referee deems the act reckless but not necessarily with extreme violence, a caution (yellow card) or a red card for unsporting behaviour may be issued, though a red is far more likely in modern officiating."
 
Faust17 said:
Intent is important tbh. If it wasn’t then pretty much every tackle would be a red (as it is almost always a clash of boot with someone’s leg!)

If he’d poked him in the eye accidentally it wouldn’t have been a red. Pull his hair accidentally it’s a red. It makes no sense to me
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OK then I'll play along.

Let's say it wasn't intent to grab his hair in the first instance. I think the movement of Ballards hand is to the hair, but anyway...

All the images show him still holding the lads hair when it's abundantly clear to Ballard both by distance from his shirt and by feel its is hair he has hold of, yet Ballard doesn't quickly release it. So even if there's no intent to grab it in the first place, the intent is still there to hold onto it and that's where its made it obvious to the camera as the distance between them has opened up.
 
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Perryqhill said:
You think he has the size of a shirt to grab hold of and somehow manages to grab a piece of hair, not realise and keep hold of it till it's a good two inches away from his shirt or collar?

That would take some doing.
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Give ower man. That whole challenge lasted 1.5 seconds at the most. I doubt he had any idea what he had hold of and certainly wasn't violent conduct. This is the very ref that started all of this off.
 
Perryqhill said:
OK the I'll play along.

Let's say it wasn't intent to grab his hair in the first instance. I think the movement of Ballards hand is to the hair, but anyway...

All the images on here show him still holding the lads hair when it's abundantly clear to Ballard both by distance from his shirt and by feel its is hair he has hold of, yet Ballard doesn't quickly release it. So even if there's no intent to grab it in the first place, the intent is still there to hold onto it and that's where its made it obvious to the camera as the distance between them has opened up.
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No need to play along with anything mate.

I suppose common sense would dictate to me that Ballard didn’t say ‘the best way to defend this situation is the pull that guys hair’. In fact it’s pretty obvious that wouldn’t have been his thought process
 
Perryqhill said:
OK then I'll play along.

Let's say it wasn't intent to grab his hair in the first instance. I think the movement of Ballards hand is to the hair, but anyway...

All the images show him still holding the lads hair when it's abundantly clear to Ballard both by distance from his shirt and by feel its is hair he has hold of, yet Ballard doesn't quickly release it. So even if there's no intent to grab it in the first place, the intent is still there to hold onto it and that's where its made it obvious to the camera as the distance between them has opened up.
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Hold on to it 😂 it's over and done with in less than two seconds. You're obviously basing your opinion based off a still image. In real time the action is over before it's even registered in his head man, his attention was clearly on the ball.
 
Perryqhill said:
From what I saw the lads hair was in the middle of his back. If he's trying to grab his shirt then how does he manage to grab his hair in that manner?

Looks pretty intentional to me.

I'm not sure what I make of the rule, but I see it as a needless and stupid thing to do currently.
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No intent whatsoever
 
If you think Ballard intentionally pulls his hair.
If you think he deserves a red card.
And if you think either way it’s a sending off, then you can lick my hoop.

It’s absolutely shite. Nowt in it, shit decision and a 7 foot shithouse wants shooting for screaming because one of his dreadlocks accidentally got tugged.

Get fucked.
 
No idea why he done it but it was pretty silly and cost us the win.

I’m sure we’ll get over it like but aye not one of his better moments for us
 
Either way it's frustrating as f*ck as we'd have won that game with ease 11v11....and their #14 who had his hair pulled was absolutely horrific, had a shocking game.
 
Perryqhill said:
I'm not forgetting. Allsorts goes on. Player was stronger than him and he's tried to gain an advantage and it hasn't paid off.

You're trying to take the blame away from and excuse a stupid error that's likely cost us the game.
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I thought it pathetic that it was a thing before today. Take hair out of the equation I say
Oli Wagkz said:
If I was Haaland I’m wearing my man bun down from here on in and falling about like a wanker
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Exactly
 
Perryqhill said:
I saw it in real time. There are people posting images on here to justify what they think they've seen, why can't I do the same?

It wouldn't have been as blatant if he'd let go sooner, he makes it too obvious and he doesn't let go when it's abundantly obvious he hasn't got hold of his shirt and there's large gap between the players hair and where his shirt could even end up.
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I didn't say you couldn't, but you can't gauge the duration or force involved from a still image, which is why VAR shouldn't be showing one to the ref.

Question for you, did Ballard grab any shirt during the incident, or was it just the hair?
 
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