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Avengers - Infinity War

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Cockney Mackem said:
The only way they can resolve that storyline is by basically cheating because
they aren't going to leave Black Panther, Spider-Man, Dr Strange and Guardian Readers of the Galaxy dead when their franchises are in full swing



I quite enjoyed it but it was full of holes. What happened to the powers Quill started to learn in Grauniads 2? And Thanos' idea is moronic.
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You'd have loved Thanos' motivation in the comics then :lol:
 

Cockney Mackem said:
The only way they can resolve that storyline is by basically cheating because
they aren't going to leave Black Panther, Spider-Man, Dr Strange and Guardian Readers of the Galaxy dead when their franchises are in full swing



I quite enjoyed it but it was full of holes. What happened to the powers Quill started to learn in Grauniads 2? And Thanos' idea is moronic.
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Whatever powers Quill got in Guardians may have died when his Dad popped his planetary clogs
 
Cockney Mackem said:
The only way they can resolve that storyline is by basically cheating because
they aren't going to leave Black Panther, Spider-Man, Dr Strange and Guardian Readers of the Galaxy dead when their franchises are in full swing



I quite enjoyed it but it was full of holes. What happened to the powers Quill started to learn in Grauniads 2? And Thanos' idea is moronic.
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How is thanos' moronic idea a plot hole? He's a psycopath that justifies his actions as for the greater good. We've certainly seen that in history before.
 
Aituk7 said:
How is thanos' moronic idea a plot hole? He's a psycopath that justifies his actions as for the greater good. We've certainly seen that in history before.
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It's mainly that he's billed as a super villain with a huge amount of knowledge and intelligence, and his motivations are portrayed as (albeit psychotic) not so easy to dismiss out of hand because there's some logic there. And at least some of the heroes he's up against are billed as being super intelligent, and in the case of Dr Strange possessed of universal insight and ability to project future outcomes. It's a bit daft then that his plan is actually simplistic to the point of being cretinous, and that none of the Avengers would at least try to put him off his stroke by pointing out his plan is moronic, wouldn't actually work and what kind of self-respecting super being would make such a shit plan his life's work, and
kill his beloved stepdaughter into the bargain
?
 
Cockney Mackem said:
It's mainly that he's billed as a super villain with a huge amount of knowledge and intelligence, and his motivations are portrayed as (albeit psychotic) not so easy to dismiss out of hand because there's some logic there. And at least some of the heroes he's up against are billed as being super intelligent, and in the case of Dr Strange possessed of universal insight and ability to project future outcomes. It's a bit daft then that his plan is actually simplistic to the point of being cretinous, and that none of the Avengers would at least try to put him off his stroke by pointing out his plan is moronic, wouldn't actually work and what kind of self-respecting super being would make such a shit plan his life's work, and
kill his beloved stepdaughter into the bargain
?
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They might give it more explanation in the second part but I totally bought into the idea, his planet was ravaged by overconsumption, he had a daring plan that would have saved it and was chastised for it. What then happened was exactly as he predicted. Instead of only losing half, greed caused them to lose everything. Obvioulsy he's a psycopath to add to that but he has made it his lifes mission to set the universe right and give it more time to develop.

Any plan a psycopath comes up with should involve a certain amount of cretinism. I think you're being a bit harsh on that supposed plot hole there. I mean Hitler supported the extermination or expulsion of people to create a lebensraum. Crazy people do crazy things.
 
Cockney Mackem said:
It's mainly that he's billed as a super villain with a huge amount of knowledge and intelligence, and his motivations are portrayed as (albeit psychotic) not so easy to dismiss out of hand because there's some logic there. And at least some of the heroes he's up against are billed as being super intelligent, and in the case of Dr Strange possessed of universal insight and ability to project future outcomes. It's a bit daft then that his plan is actually simplistic to the point of being cretinous, and that none of the Avengers would at least try to put him off his stroke by pointing out his plan is moronic, wouldn't actually work and what kind of self-respecting super being would make such a shit plan his life's work, and
kill his beloved stepdaughter into the bargain
?
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Thanos and his followers make it clear throughout that they see what they're doing as merciful and they know that others don't agree. They killed half the population of Gamora's planet when she was a child and she spent almost 2 decades letting Thanos know how she feels about it. He understands the objection the avengers have, and he can't be convinced that he's wrong.

As for sacrificing Gomora, he didn't have a choice as he saw it. Bringing balance to the universe is more important to him than any one life. There was a 50% chance she would die once he clicked his fingers anyway
 
super noodles said:
Thanos and his followers make it clear throughout that they see what they're doing as merciful and they know that others don't agree. They killed half the population of Gamora's planet when she was a child and she spent almost 2 decades letting Thanos know how she feels about it. He understands the objection the avengers have, and he can't be convinced that he's wrong.

As for sacrificing Gomora, he didn't have a choice as he saw it. Bringing balance to the universe is more important to him than any one life. There was a 50% chance she would die once he clicked his fingers anyway
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@Cockney Mackem Exactly and the juxtaposition of the movie was the avengers repeatedly making it clear that one life shouldn't be sacraficed to stop thanos "we don't trade lives", whereas thanos showed that any life was up for sacrafice in order to achieve his goal
 
Aituk7 said:
@Cockney Mackem Exactly and the juxtaposition of the movie was the avengers repeatedly making it clear that one life shouldn't be sacraficed to stop thanos "we don't trade lives", whereas thanos showed that any life was up for sacrafice in order to achieve his goal
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I suspect that the next film will be exactly that - the ‘new’ Avengers being saved by the ‘old’ ones sacrificing themselves. Can’t see how Captain Marvel fits into that yet though.
 
West_Winger said:
I suspect that the next film will be exactly that - the ‘new’ Avengers being saved by the ‘old’ ones sacrificing themselves. Can’t see how Captain Marvel fits into that yet though.
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Definitely. I can't see how this won't result in the deaths of Tony Stark and Captain America after having a reunion and seeing them putting their differences aside to fight for the greater good one final time.

As for those who died, I mean I know it's meant to be dramatic but I laughed at the thought of spiderman and black panther dying permanently. I think Sony and Disney would have a great deal to say about both respectively
 
Aituk7 said:
Definitely. I can't see how this won't result in the deaths of Tony Stark and Captain America after having a reunion and seeing them putting their differences aside to fight for the greater good one final time.

As for those who died, I mean I know it's meant to be dramatic but I laughed at the thought of spiderman and black panther dying permanently. I think Sony and Disney would have a great deal to say about both respectively
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Aye I keep seeing people saying they were distraught and stuff and I’m like “Yeah the new stars of the biggest films Marvel has had aren’t going to be killed off in a haze of brown dust.....”
 
West_Winger said:
Aye I keep seeing people saying they were distraught and stuff and I’m like “Yeah the new stars of the biggest films Marvel has had aren’t going to be killed off in a haze of brown dust.....”
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I did get a real distraught feeling watching spiderman die though. There's just something about a young kid saying they're scared and don't want to die... a great movie by all accounts
 
super noodles said:
Thanos and his followers make it clear throughout that they see what they're doing as merciful and they know that others don't agree. They killed half the population of Gamora's planet when she was a child and she spent almost 2 decades letting Thanos know how she feels about it. He understands the objection the avengers have, and he can't be convinced that he's wrong.

As for sacrificing Gomora, he didn't have a choice as he saw it. Bringing balance to the universe is more important to him than any one life. There was a 50% chance she would die once he clicked his fingers anyway
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It's not about the moral objection which a super villain would obviously ignore, it's the fact that it's a completely idiotic idea that wouldn't work
 
One thing I think we might see more of in Avengers 4 is Banner & Hulk having that “discussion”. Hulk’s refusal to appear when Banner tried to transform could be due Hulk being traumatised or scared after his savage beating by Thanos. We end up seeing the two coming to terms with each other and we get to see the smarter/cunning Grey Hulk or even the “Professor Hulk” (a merger of Banner’s intelligence, Hulk’s strength and the grey Hulk) Which was shown in the comic many years ago.
 
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