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Ashes Inquest

The one Englishman whose reputation has been enhanced in Oz is Stuart Broard, he was very well received as part of the channel 7 commentary team
I listened to the SportNationNZ radio commentary rather than TMS. He appeared regularly. Started off a bit nervously but improved massively. The insight have gave in respect of the bowling process was superb. TMS had Alex Hartley dribbling on about her period and where she'd been the previous day.
 

Bethell should be left as number 3. Crawley has had his chances and needs to move on. Duckett and Smith should remain in the team I think. Pope could return much later on but not at 3 and may even be the keeper down the line. As exciting as Wood and Archer are as bowlers, I don't think their body can hold up to test cricket anymore. Jacks played as well suspected when he got called up, an old fashioned bits and pieces player who is more suited to white ball cricket.. he showed signs but not skilled enough in either discipline to play tests. Potts looked the shadow of what he has, the warning was there last county season like.

Bashir is the one I feel sorry for as he lost his county and looked ok last summer before his injury. I just don't get the mindset of backing him for years when he was getting a lot of stick, only to bottle it when they went down to OZ :eek:. Carse did ok and was expensive but had a decent wickets return and kept charging in.

A few of positives were the previously mentioned Bethell, Root and tongue.
To be fair to the England management (and I can't believe I'm saying this), Bashir made himself unselectable once the team reached Australia.

Apparently he had been absolutely dire in the nets. I'm mates with Tom Abell, Somerset Captain, from University. He's mates with a few of the England players, and we had a chat about the ashes a few weeks ago. From what he's heard Bashir had zero control in the nets, even struggling to land it on the wicket at times.

Plus the one chance he did get for the Lions he bowled 25 overs, took zero wickets, and went for 115 runs.

The entire situation is a mess, but no matter what the plan was for the last two years, if somebody is playing that badly there's no way you can pick them.
 
Bethell should be left as number 3.
Based on the last few years, I'd respectfully disagree. If we persist with openers who think it is their job to get 50 between them in eight overs, then the number 3 effectively becomes another opener. I'd argue that this has ruined Ollie Pope. I'd hate to see Bethall go the same way. I want openers who can regularly bat for 20 overs, knocking the shine off the new ball, getting it to soften up which surely makes it easier for the others to score more runs in the next 60 overs. If your openers can get through the four main bowlers' opening spells, that is a job well done, particularly in hot climates. I don't care how fast the openers score. if the openers are regularly together at 12.30/45pm in a home test match then for me they have done their job.
 
Still think it’s funny that we had Carey standing up to Neser and Boland after all of the focus on FAST BOWLERS. PROBABLY THE FASTEST BOWLERS IN THE HISTORY OF FAST BOWLERS.
Bloody hate this obsession the ECB have with picking the fastest bowlers possible while ignoring everything else.

Somebody who bowls low 80s, able to consistently put the ball in the right areas with a little bit of movement with the keeper standing up, will always be a threat.

Bowling faster is only better if you've got consistency and you're not just bowling straight up and down.

This pace at all costs attitude is seeping into the game at every level now. Look at Potts for example. He's got progressively worse over the last 18 months, and you can just see his technique is being changed to try and generate more pace. But in doing so he's bowling with less control than he used to, and with less movement on the ball, and looks like a far worse player.
 
My inquest…

Keep:
Duckett - thin ice, but has just enough credit in the bank. Gets the NZ series.

Bethell - stupidly talented. Back him for the foreseeable, probably at 3. Needs more cricket.

Root - obviously.

Brook - keep, but someone please have a word. So much skill, so little brains.

Stokes - as captain for now, but at a crossroads in his career.

Smith - similar to Duckett. Looked class before this series and deserves more time

Atkinson - faded, but still one of our best options. Build our attack around him and Tongue if fit.

Carse - keeps going. Decent 3rd/4th seamer. Never give him the new ball again.

Archer - pray he stays fit.

Tongue - ditto on fitness. Good enough to lead our attack. A real find this series.

Get rid:
Crawley - averages 31 after 60 tests. Not good enough. If we want to win, bin him off.

Pope - deeply flawed at this level. May return to bat 6 or lower in the future.

Jacks - bits and pieces. Not his fault, just a a joke selection.

Potts - looks a shadow of what he was. Has to go and rediscover some form.

Wood - 36 and made of paper. Time to move on.

Bashir - 2 years wasted. More nonsense from this setup.

McCullum and Key - shambolic preparation, ill-discipline and a total lack of application did for us. Baz treated the whole thing as a glorified jolly. The culture is lax and unserious. Not elite in the slightest. Get serious and appoint people to take this team forward. Doubt they will though...

Then blood the likes of Cox, Rew, Tribe, Rehan etc… Maybe use Dawson as a stopgap spinner. I’d get Robinson back in the fold too, assuming he's not a lost cause. Our attack isn’t good enough to just discard him.
Agree with most of this.

I still think Bashir can come again though, the treatment of him has been absolutely appalling.
 
He's awful
He's pretty much learnt to play red ball cricket at test level. Yet is the highest wicket taking spinner along with Jadeja in tests since his debut.

His SR being very similar to Swann and Moeen career SR too. Yes he's not got control at this stage in his career but he's a wicket taker.

He definitely regressed after his start but it's expected learning at the highest level of the game.

 
There is hope for Bashir, he's 22 - but you do wonder just how damaging this experience has been for him.

It was a ridiculous call to have him learning on the job in test cricket and still have faith in him to be part of the squad in the most challenging of environments. Particularly when there was a spinner who's taken over 100 test wickets still performing at a high level in county cricket.
 
He's pretty much learnt to play red ball cricket at test level. Yet is the highest wicket taking spinner along with Jadeja in tests since his debut.

His SR being very similar to Swann and Moeen career SR too. Yes he's not got control at this stage in his career but he's a wicket taker.

He definitely regressed after his start but it's expected learning at the highest level of the game.

If only there was some sort of long form red ball competition where he could learn his trade.
 
To be fair to the England management (and I can't believe I'm saying this), Bashir made himself unselectable once the team reached Australia.

Apparently he had been absolutely dire in the nets. I'm mates with Tom Abell, Somerset Captain, from University. He's mates with a few of the England players, and we had a chat about the ashes a few weeks ago. From what he's heard Bashir had zero control in the nets, even struggling to land it on the wicket at times.

Plus the one chance he did get for the Lions he bowled 25 overs, took zero wickets, and went for 115 runs.

The entire situation is a mess, but no matter what the plan was for the last two years, if somebody is playing that badly there's no way you can pick them.
This was the chat from George Dobell too regarding Bashir.
McCullum paving the way for a nice pay-off...

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If we hadn't been idiots and given him the 1 day job this would be much simpler.

They won't sack him ahead of the t20 World cup but there's a nice gap between that and our next test.

We will probably go win the world cup now and keep him in the job
 
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To be fair to the England management (and I can't believe I'm saying this), Bashir made himself unselectable once the team reached Australia.

Apparently he had been absolutely dire in the nets. I'm mates with Tom Abell, Somerset Captain, from University. He's mates with a few of the England players, and we had a chat about the ashes a few weeks ago. From what he's heard Bashir had zero control in the nets, even struggling to land it on the wicket at times.

Plus the one chance he did get for the Lions he bowled 25 overs, took zero wickets, and went for 115 runs.

The entire situation is a mess, but no matter what the plan was for the last two years, if somebody is playing that badly there's no way you can pick them.
Why do you think that was mate? feeling the expectation or may be a lack of a home on a domestic level
Based on the last few years, I'd respectfully disagree. If we persist with openers who think it is their job to get 50 between them in eight overs, then the number 3 effectively becomes another opener. I'd argue that this has ruined Ollie Pope. I'd hate to see Bethall go the same way. I want openers who can regularly bat for 20 overs, knocking the shine off the new ball, getting it to soften up which surely makes it easier for the others to score more runs in the next 60 overs. If your openers can get through the four main bowlers' opening spells, that is a job well done, particularly in hot climates. I don't care how fast the openers score. if the openers are regularly together at 12.30/45pm in a home test match then for me they have done their job.

It's all good mate you are allowed to offer a rebuttal ;), I see what you mean but I feel Pope wasn't capable of playing the Innings JB did, he has a completely different temperament IMHO. Pope was too skittish to be at 3.
 
Why do you think that was mate? feeling the expectation or may be a lack of a home on a domestic level
You'd have to ask Bashir!

I'd assume a combination of a few of things.

Barely played any competitive cricket in the last year. Off the top of my head I don't believe he made a single appearance for Somerset in any competition last season.

Shitloads of pressure because England have been banging on for the last two years about how he was going to be the perfect spinner for Australian conditions so undoubtedly there would have been nerves at play.
Why do you think that was mate? feeling the expectation or may be a lack of a home on a domestic level
You'd have to ask Bashir!

I'd assume a combination of a few things.

Shitloads of pressure because England have been banging on for the last two years about how he was going to be the perfect spinner for Australian conditions so undoubtedly there would have been nerves at play.

Barely played any competitive cricket in the last year. I've just checked and didn't he make a single appearance for Somerset in any competition last season, and only 5 in all competitions the season before and he was pretty damn terrible. In red ball cricket he took 4 wickets at a 94 average, and in white ball he only played once and didn't take a wicket.

The reality is that no young player, especially spinners, are going to improve if they're not playing the game.

I just feel sorry for the guy. It's not his fault he's not very good, or that for some reason the powers that be decided he was the right player for them to back.

The more you look at the whole situation, the more mad it feels.

(Reposting this as I somehow posted the message before I'd finished writing it and it won't let me edit it!)
 
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You'd have to ask Bashir!

I'd assume a combination of a few of things.

Barely played any competitive cricket in the last year. Off the top of my head I don't believe he made a single appearance for Somerset in any competition last season.

Shitloads of pressure because England have been banging on for the last two years about how he was going to be the perfect spinner for Australian conditions so undoubtedly there would have been nerves at play.

You'd have to ask Bashir!

I'd assume a combination of a few things.

Shitloads of pressure because England have been banging on for the last two years about how he was going to be the perfect spinner for Australian conditions so undoubtedly there would have been nerves at play.

Barely played any competitive cricket in the last year. I've just checked and didn't he make a single appearance for Somerset in any competition last season, and only 5 in all competitions the season before and he was pretty damn terrible. In red ball cricket he took 4 wickets at a 94 average, and in white ball he only played once and didn't take a wicket.

The reality is that no young player, especially spinners, are going to improve if they're not playing the game.

I just feel sorry for the guy. It's not his fault he's not very good, or that for some reason the powers that be decided he was the right player for them to back.

The more you look at the whole situation, the more mad it feels.

(Reposting this as I somehow posted the message before I'd finished writing it and it won't let me edit it!)
Sad thing is mate, I think there's a player in there somewhere.. definitely Lyon vibes but he's been so mismanaged it could wreck any chance he had :(
 
Cox doesn't keep for his county either

Smith ain't getting dropped just needs a proper coach that doesn't tell him to play like a moron as does Brook.

Both are far too talented to play without brains.
Smith’s keeping concerns me more than his batting, but since when has top class glove work mattered for England?
 
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