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Ashes Inquest

Where to start with this absolute shower of shite?

1 - Whoever signed off the itinerary needs to be sacked, 1 "warm up" game which we all know was half arsed vs England Lions was a shambolic way to prepare.

2 - The constant "resting" of England players during the County Championship season is now looking hideous. For example I remember last year Durham needed a concussion replacement, the ECB wouldn't allow Carse to play despite him being at the ground, he was in the bar watching Sunderland in the play off final. The way they messed Potts about resting him as well last year clearly bothered the lad and obviously Bethell as well was messed about.

3 - The management of our fast bowlers, I have banged on about this for years but again shambolic. Archer, Wood, Atkinson, knackered on this trip and it raises questions yet again why this is happening all the time with English fast bowlers? The way they have managed Mark Wood was absolutely astoundingly bad. "Don't play any games mate for Durham, we'll just throw you straight into an Ashes Series"

4 - We were told this series was several years in the planning. Therefore what was the reasoning behind preparing Bashir for the last 2-3 years then not bother selecting him, and even worse selecting a spin bowler (Jacks) ahead of him who was clearly never part of this "several years in the planning".

5 - Bethell - Similar to point 4, granted he's done well this week, they basically threw the lad in at the deep end, he was never part of the plan. They may well have stumbled on a Pope replacement.

6 - Crawley/Duckett - Not good enough. Said on here to @smoker that Crawley has a way of blagging his place by getting a decent score when he needs to and he did it during this series, ultimately though not good enough 27.30 average is poor. Likewise Duckett, I was prepared to give him a chance this series after a poor start........ on the piss, pissed and averaging 20.02, not good enough. Both need replacing.

7 - County Cricket "too much cricket" - Can we stop with this bullshit? Again repeating myself, but this series was several years planning and some of this lot hardly played any red ball cricket between the end of the India series in July, to then rocking up in October/November in Australia. That is appalling. Ironically the player who has impressed me the most, was playing red ball cricket in September..... Josh Tongue.

8 - County Cricket merit - Can we get rid of this "face fits club" that is clearly the case with this lot? I am a strong believer in "performance over reputation" and this series has highlighted the need for that in my opinion. Hameed averaged 66 in the CC in 2025, Sibley 60.66, Simpson 60.33, Cox 59.09, Lawrence 54.23. There are other examples but you get the idea, reward CC performances because this current selection criteria just isn't working.

9 - Get rid of BM and RK, beyond arrogant and that is breeding throughout this team

10 - Given what I have seen this tour, Carse, Potts, Smith, Pope, Duckett, Crawley and Jacks aren't good enough for this level. Carse and Potts need a full season with Durham, Smith may come good. The 2 opening batsman I am struggling with. Bethell needs managing properly. What is the purpose of Bashir, he isn't even our best spinner.

11 - If we intend to experiment with the Kookaburra ball in the future, I'd suggest it's not a good idea to test it during a test series where the only players testing the ball are County players who are never ever playing for England.... seems a bit pointless having George Drissell testing a ball for an Ashes series..... ECB logic!!!

12 - Reduction of CC - Mr Bostock said it would improve performance/we would see more high level performances...... Can we stop with this shit now please?

13 - Stokes - made mistakes but is the best leader we have, the alternative is Brook who I wouldn't want captaining England, shit for brains that lad.

Really struggling to find any positives from this series, only 1 player scored 400 runs which is piss poor and only 2 players scored centuries for England, again piss poor.

An absolute disaster of a series, riddled with arrogance, weak minded players and against a very average Australia side, it's absolutely unforgiveable and some heads need to roll for this shambolic outcome.

Hope they enjoyed the golf and booze though.
 
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To be honest, im unsure by stokes. Yes hes probably our best leader, but I think he would only get into the team on his bowling these days and that seems to cause him to break down. He keeps picking up more and more injuries, his batting has been detiorarating often looking scrambled. Also his field placements seem to have been poor as well. If there was a natural captain to follow him, at this time he wouldnt be in best 11 if he cant bowl
 
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It really has been a piss take since the previous trip to Oz ended.

Try and reduce the County Championship
Play with kookaburra balls
Dont bother with many warm up games
Bin off one scheduled warm up game
Celebrate getting hammered by...getting hammered.
Wake up near the end and realise they should probably start playing sensible cricket.

And yet it looks like we are not going to make any changes. You couldn't make it up.
 
Where to start with this absolute shower of shite?

1 - Whoever signed off the itinerary needs to be sacked, 1 "warm up" game which we all know was half arsed vs England Lions was a shambolic way to prepare.

2 - The constant "resting" of England players during the County Championship season is now looking hideous. For example I remember last year Durham needed a concussion replacement, the ECB wouldn't allow Carse to play despite him being at the ground, he was in the bar watching Sunderland in the play off final. The way they messed Potts about resting him as well last year clearly bothered the lad and obviously Bethell as well was messed about.

3 - The management of our fast bowlers, I have banged on about this for years but again shambolic. Archer, Wood, Atkinson, knackered on this trip and it raises questions yet again why this is happening all the time with English fast bowlers? The way they have managed Mark Wood was absolutely astoundingly bad. "Don't play any games mate for Durham, we'll just throw you straight into an Ashes Series"

4 - We were told this series was several years in the planning. Therefore what was the reasoning behind preparing Bashir for the last 2-3 years then not bother selecting him, and even worse selecting a spin bowler (Jacks) ahead of him who was clearly never part of this "several years in the planning".

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This is spot on.

“What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.”​

― Lord Melbourne
 
I think the core of the team stays:

1.
2. Duckett
3. Bethell
4. Root
5. Brooks
6. Stokes (c)
7.
8. Atkinson
9.
10. Tongue
11.

But there are question marks over the keeper and the bowling attack. Desperately need to find a spinner from somewhere
Archer has to fill one of them gaps surely?and would still play Smith, far too good not to play, but absolutely needs to adapt his play
 
Archer has to fill one of them gaps surely?and would still play Smith, far too good not to play, but absolutely needs to adapt his play
Archer would be in my test side but I wouldn't be surprised if we see him pack in red-ball cricket and go down the T20 circuit route, simply based on his injury record.
 
Is sports science and training really far behind in cricket generally?

Don’t follow county cricket or franchise stuff at all but seems bizarre in this day and age you have bowlers breaking down when there are surely monitoring, training and conditioning methods around these days that can prevent that.

If test bowling is so demanding then surely you need larger squads and to rotate more.
 
Is sports science and training really far behind in cricket generally?

Don’t follow county cricket or franchise stuff at all but seems bizarre in this day and age you have bowlers breaking down when there are surely monitoring, training and conditioning methods around these days that can prevent that.

If test bowling is so demanding then surely you need larger squads and to rotate more.
I think the life of a fast bowler is a difficult one - there is so much stress and strain on the body that injuries are inevitable. Very few fast bowlers go through their career without a number of injuries - Stuart Broad is the only one I can think of in recent years who seemed to always be available. Look at the Aussies, with Cummins and Hazelwood barely playing a test between them. Jimmy missed a lot of cricket towards the end of his career. Not sure sports science can do anything about 12 times your body weight going through your knees/ankles/hips etc

You don't get many spinners picking up those sorts of injuries, so guess that tells it's own tale
 
See the series averages below, you aren't going to win many games when you have all bar three batsmen averaging below 30

Crawley 273 runs @27.30
Duckett 202 runs @20.20
Pope 125 runs @20.83
Bethell 205 runs @51.25, 1 wicket @68
Root 400 runs @44.44
Brook 358 run @39.77
Stokes 184 runs @18.40, 15 wickets @25.13
Smith 211 runs @23.44
Jacks 145 runs @20.71, 6 wickets @53.66
Atkinson 73 runs @14.60, 6 wickets @47.33
Carse 99 runs @11, 22 wickets @30.31
Archer 102 runs @25.50, 9 wickets @27.11
Tongue 15 runs @5, 18 wickets @20.11
Only three of the Aussies averaged over 30 as well mind. So that’s a bit of an oversimplification. And it also shows that they were very much there for the taking.
 
Based on his comments this morning alone, BM doesn't have the capability or the maturity to learn and change,

Stokes has very much been in the same boat. I am not sure why he should be immune to questions about his future.

I also don't know why when Bethell has (albeit on a very small sample size) succeeded at 3, people are keen to move him down.

Smith has been done serious damage by this regime. I would keep him and ditch them.

Its an unprofessional mess.
 
The prep ahead of this series and the successful 2010-11 one couldn’t be further apart.

Andy Flower knew what he was doing
That’s true. 2010-11 was the last time we had anything approaching a proper buildup. Three first class matches against genuine competitive opposition before the first test, and another one between the second and the third.

That’s never happening again, though. Nobody does that anymore. It’s not just this England who don’t. And it’s pointless to wish they did. We need to figure out a way to do this better in the future. Not wish it was still the past.
 
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