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Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor arrested

I’m a monarchist as I believe a powerless figurehead is a better model for head of state than an elected president (even a powerless one). I spent a short spell as a CPS lawyer and the word “Crown” in my job title meant something - that I was serving the country, not the government. I imagine the military feel the same. But I don’t see how they survive this and feel sorry for William and Catherine who’ve done their best. If there is a path forward for it as an institution the changes need to be huge:

- proper job descriptions and standards of conduct, enforced as they would be in any workplace

- opt in for its members. If people don’t want to do it, fine go and live your best life doing something else

- titles only for the monarch and those of his/her kids who opt in to doing it, and only for so long as they’re doing it, and in the kids’ case only once they’re 21

- greater financial transparency.

- advisers who are prepared to properly check and challenge and an organisational culture where that’s the norm

- an acceptance by the monarch and those who sign up to doing the traditional royal job that they do what WE want, not what THEY want. This is my worry about William: that he’s pursued very personal hobby horses. They are incredibly worthy ones: mental health, Earthshot. But his gran (although her reputation is about to take a mauling) was much better at listening to the people and bending to their will (eg after Diana’s death). Catherine I think gets this, not sure William does

- send the kids to state schools or if they must go to private schools I beg you not f***ing Eton which as far as I can tell produces arrogance (even in William)

- (this is an outlier) you’re head of the Church of England. Go every week and listen to what it says because even if you don’t believe there's some important messages about humility, helping others, living a decent life
 

MSC said:
The wrong un is still 4th in line of succession as far as I'm aware.
That tells you how much lip service they are paying this.

Took a title away - whoopdeedoo. Living in a cottage on Sandringham as if that's a punishment. Sandringham that's the size of Nottingham ffs.
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The royals can't alter the line of succession. It has to be done by an Act of Parliament. It's in the works.

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Georgewhitt said:
So fuck all proof.

And Meanwhile a newspaper says "He may fund", so fuck all again.

The story actually says the King is determined that the taxpayer does not pick up the bill, and then speculates whether the King will fund it.

You are quoting stories that disprove your argument, you dopey fucker.

You are so full of shit man. 🤣🤣🤣
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We aren't in a court of law here though tbf. Do you not think the circumstantial evidence around Charles knowing stuff doesn't look great?
 
MSC said:
The wrong un is still 4th in line of succession as far as I'm aware.
That tells you how much lip service they are paying this.

Took a title away - whoopdeedoo. Living in a cottage on Sandringham as if that's a punishment. Sandringham that's the size of Nottingham ffs.
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All of Charlie's kids and grandkids are ahead of him, so he's miles away from 4th. Even if they all died (unlikely as 5 of them are kids, they live on different sides of the world and their dad's hate each other so they are rarely together, if ever), there's no way the government or public would accept his claim to the throne. He's a horrible specimen, but formally removing him from the line of succession is a pointless and indulgent side show.
 
pablo casals said:
and in this case rightly so.

hes not some Love Island freak, hes the kings brother
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He wont end up on the bones of his arse , some potentate somewhere in some foreign land will offer him a bed on the QT and we'll never see him again bar the odd fuzzy paparazzi shot .
 
Pantomime Mackem said:
I’m a monarchist as I believe a powerless figurehead is a better model for head of state than an elected president (even a powerless one). I spent a short spell as a CPS lawyer and the word “Crown” in my job title meant something - that I was serving the country, not the government. I imagine the military feel the same. But I don’t see how they survive this and feel sorry for William and Catherine who’ve done their best. If there is a path forward for it as an institution the changes need to be huge:

- proper job descriptions and standards of conduct, enforced as they would be in any workplace

- opt in for its members. If people don’t want to do it, fine go and live your best life doing something else

- titles only for the monarch and those of his/her kids who opt in to doing it, and only for so long as they’re doing it, and in the kids’ case only once they’re 21

- greater financial transparency.

- advisers who are prepared to properly check and challenge and an organisational culture where that’s the norm

- an acceptance by the monarch and those who sign up to doing the traditional royal job that they do what WE want, not what THEY want. This is my worry about William: that he’s pursued very personal hobby horses. They are incredibly worthy ones: mental health, Earthshot. But his gran (although her reputation is about to take a mauling) was much better at listening to the people and bending to their will (eg after Diana’s death). Catherine I think gets this, not sure William does

- send the kids to state schools or if they must go to private schools I beg you not f***ing Eton which as far as I can tell produces arrogance (even in William)

- (this is an outlier) you’re head of the Church of England. Go every week and listen to what it says because even if you don’t believe there's some important messages about humility, helping others, living a decent life
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I'm a republican, but I could accept a slimmed down monarchy with less involvement in government decisions, less government largesse and less exemptions from tax as a compromise with the ever-slimming monarchist majority. Something in line with the Dutch king.

There's an outside chance William would go down this route, but I think your post suggests he has more intelligence and selflessness than he actually does.
Geras said:
He wont end up on the bones of his arse , some potentate somewhere in some foreign land will offer him a bed on the QT and we'll never see him again bar the odd fuzzy paparazzi shot .
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Some foreign land where multiple wives is common and the age of consent is 13.
 
Geras said:
He wont end up on the bones of his arse , some potentate somewhere in some foreign land will offer him a bed on the QT and we'll never see him again bar the odd fuzzy paparazzi shot .
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I agree, I was making the point that the 'gutter press' should be pushing every angle. There's obviously a load of stuff yet to come out.

The obvious way for it to go away for the nonce is to be invited by some rich kingdom to live out the rest of his days away from the UK.

If the heat stays on his brother he may have to abdicate to save the family business, pass it on to the younger generation.
As per the King of Spain when caught with his fingers in the till. Now living out his days in disgrace in some rich Arab oil state.
 
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pablo casals said:
I agree, I was making the point that the 'gutter press' should be pushing every angle. There's obviously a load of stuff yet to come out.
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They won’t though , they’ll lose their place in the Royal press pack and miss out on any future occasions.
 
MSC said:
The wrong un is still 4th in line of succession as far as I'm aware.
That tells you how much lip service they are paying this.

Took a title away - whoopdeedoo. Living in a cottage on Sandringham as if that's a punishment. Sandringham that's the size of Nottingham ffs.
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And getting 150 grand a year from charlie
 
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