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Adam Johnson Trial Verdict

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theinediblebulk said:
Weird thing is I've posted it twice now in response to what a couple of posters have said and neither one has bothered to respond to it. Almost makes me think that them shouting for the truth is not the real reason why they keep posting the same shit, rather it's some type of agenda they've got.
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I think you should post it on every page mate. The debate stops.
 

kick in the quinn said:
The police have to act under child protection law, and the allegation is enough to demand appropriate procedures are enacted. It doesn't imply guilt, but the protection of a minor takes precedence. Under the law, AJ was still innocent, so the club ultimately had to act accordingly. However, if it is proved that the club knew that he had admitted to the acts (from him), then their stance is morally untenable. A police statement isn't enough, as anyone is entitled to change their statement up to the trial. I have witnessed the police and other authorities go way overboard on child protection matters based on very flakey input and this too can wreck a child's life creating another victim. Luckily for me, it wasn't me or mine.
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Thanks for that, I just dont get all the flak flying around at the moment blaming the club. Only one person at fault here
 
Icarebecauseyoudo said:
Well they have covered it as every communication has said they thought he was pleading not guilty

Just nobody seems to believe it
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Yet they haven't answered the question as to whether Johnson admitted to Byrne that he had kissed and groomed her (he allegedly told them he'd be pleading not guilty anyway in said meeting) despite the fact that the allegations first came to light almost 2 weeks ago.
 
sidneyeric said:
It's the media doing that, no one else...
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You're right it is the media dragging our clubs name through the mud but only after Johnson and his Defence team decided to try and throw the club under the bus.

Just another small indication of the type of bloke he is if any were needed. Bearing in mind the club are only taking any flack for believing his lies and standing by him up until the point he pleaded guilty.
 
kick in the quinn said:
The police have to act under child protection law, and the allegation is enough to demand appropriate procedures are enacted. It doesn't imply guilt, but the protection of a minor takes precedence. Under the law, AJ was still innocent, so the club ultimately had to act accordingly. However, if it is proved that the club knew that he had admitted to the acts (from him), then their stance is morally untenable. A police statement isn't enough, as anyone is entitled to change their statement up to the trial. I have witnessed the police and other authorities go way overboard on child protection matters based on very flakey input and this too can wreck a child's life creating another victim. Luckily for me, it wasn't me or mine.
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This very subject was going to be part of a much longer post but I haven't had time.

What was the role of the police with regard to child protection in this case.

Did they have input into the safeguarding review that was mentioned in the club's statement?
 
Maravilla said:
Yet they haven't answered the question as to whether Johnson admitted to Byrne that he had kissed and groomed her (he allegedly told them he'd be pleading not guilty anyway in said meeting) despite the fact that the allegations first came to light almost 2 weeks ago.
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Surely they have

They believed he was pleading not guilty

Like I say, the answer isn't good enough for the media
 
haway said:
Show me the articles then
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Why do you want to see articles?

I think this is your problem, you take too much notice of what the rags print to try and sell stories. Don't you know the internet is killing their trade and their more desperate than ever?
 
shepherd88 said:
We didn't get away with the Ji case, we got fined. We've also been fined and warned over using dodgy agents.
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We didn't get docked points, was what I meant. I didn't word it well though.
There's very few clubs in this league which are run in a squeaky clean fashion. It's a mammoth task trying to keep a handle on it all. In all fairness, I would say that the current board do need a shake up, and the injection of a more seasoned football oriented leader. On second thoughts, that's not working for the Mags right now.
 
haway said:
That's not why the club are getting pelters. If he had been suspended straight away what criticism would the club be getting? The club were in a difficult situation but they could have handled it in a way where this wouldn't be an issue imo.
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Thank you for admitting this is only your opinion now, I thought we were expected to believe it was fact ;)
 
Cosmos Rocks said:
I agree but Sunderland fans should not be supporting them. The media led by the local BBC are delighting in this sad situation. The criminal system has done its job and things need to move on for the good of everyone. However, this witchunt against our club is pretty sickening.
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Has the criminal system done its job, or simply made a bad situation worse. If you have been the parent of a 15 year old girl you will have an insight to their experimenting and learning about life at the same time as being insecure and emotionally incapable of making the correct decisions ....that's why they are still regarded as being children.

Now finding herself in a position whereby she realised she had become involved in something with unpleasant and unforeseen consequences was bad enough for her and her parents to deal with. However the legal system then proceeded to put them through hell for a year, whilst the arrogant selfish adult lived his life as if innocent in the public eye. It was clear from the evidence that the torture of this last year and the lies Johnson spun have damaged the girl as much as if not more than the event itself. There should be a law where cases which include children are dealt with in a very specific time frame. I hate to think of the hell that girl and her family have gone through unnessarily because of the legal system . I wonder if her parents even think if it was worthwhile given the damage it may have done.

On much less important level the accusations being thrown at safc would have been pretty much irrelevant if the timescale had not left them to balance the morale dilemma of doing the right thing and that of working to the letter of the law and respecting Johnsons rights.

The legal system failed the girl and her family and Sunderland football club and the public at large in not dealing with this promptly.That it got the correct outcome is a blessing because that girls life would have been destroyed with the only winners being the highly paid legal profession .
 
Maravilla said:
Yet they haven't answered the question as to whether Johnson admitted to Byrne that he had kissed and groomed her (he allegedly told them he'd be pleading not guilty anyway in said meeting) despite the fact that the allegations first came to light almost 2 weeks ago.
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There's a few chinese whispers that have crept into a fair few posts on here.
 
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