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Adam Johnson Trial Verdict

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Peaknutt said:
Well, it was heard in court that Byrne had full copies of the WhatsApp messages
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Jesus Christ man, continually repeating what was said in court achieves nowt. We all know what was said in court but people are questioning whether or not it's true. How many times?
 
Mainze said:
Has closing our eyes and pretending this was all a bad dream worked then?

Or have the club been dismantled in the national media today....I daren't pick up a paper :confused:
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You wont pick a national paper up and not see SAFC being dragged though the mud. First and foremost down to AJ and c unt and secondly, down to the club failing to answer serious allegations.
 
janey said:
As I said last night CP is dangerous, not specifically linked to this but generally I know her really well. She hates men she would hate every bloke on this board and see abuse, sexism and control in every post. While women can't do any of that. A hidden agenda, never, oh and she's a Mag.
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I actually googled her earlier, and that's the impression I got. I don't think she has a great deal of credibility and hopefully before anyone gives any credence to her opinions they'll do a bit of checking first. It's a shame the organisation she works for doesn't have better representation.
 
Wayne The Punk said:
it is getting tedious, so, if they did hear he snogged a 15 year old, sack him? They had top legal advice, its shocking how many people are jumping onto the blame the club bandwagon now. There is only one person to blame for this
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The club weren't the jury and until he is found guilty in court the clubs hands were tied.
 
haway said:
To be clear we have: The BBC, ITV, Sky, The Guardian, The Times, the Daily Mail, the Sun and the Mirror all asking questions of SAFC in either editorials or opinion pieces.

We have: the NSPCC, prominent child sex abuse campaigner Peter Saunders, Wearside women in need, Dr Melanie Lang - expert in child safeguarding, Jim Gilling from SAFCSA etc. all again, raising worries about SAFC behaving inappropriately.
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All they have to do is produce another statement denying we knew anything about the following:
  • Johnson admitted to a senior official of the club that he had committed an offence by kissing an underage girl in a sexual manner
  • Senior official(s) of the club saw a transcript of WhatsApp messages that indicated Johnson was guilty of a sex offence against an underage girl
If they do, then for me I accept that.
 
jsdftm04 said:
I absolutely agree. The fact they are refusing to address it makes them look bad before it even gets to the truth.
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once you answer one question you will always get ah well what about **** just like some people are saying on here.

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On 4 May 2015, an introductory meeting took place between Mr. Johnson, his father and Orlando Pownall QC. Mr. Pownall had not previously met Mr. Johnson. The club’s CEO was present during part of that meeting. During the time that she was present there was no suggestion whatsoever that Mr. Johnson would be changing his plea. Some documents were received relating to the case, which were immediately sent to Mr. Pownall for his attention. However, the club was not in a position to make any judgment on the outcome of the case nor on Mr. Johnson’s decision to defend all the allegations. Following that meeting, Mr. Johnson again confirmed to the club, presumably on advice from his own legal team, that his intention was to defend the charges in their entirety and he was confident of success once all evidence had been considered. He subsequently entered not guilty pleas to all charges on 6 June 2015.

That is the clubs stance.

What Johnson said in the court was not challenged as it was not in anybodies interest to probe further. For our reputation it should have been sorted, but the job of the court was trial for Johnson not to protect SAFC
 
Cack Stottie said:
All they have to do is produce another statement denying we knew anything about the following:
  • Johnson admitted to a senior official of the club that he had committed an offence by kissing an underage girl in a sexual manner
  • Senior official(s) of the club saw a transcript of WhatsApp messages that indicated Johnson was guilty of a sex offence against an underage girl
If they do, then for me I accept that.
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Agreed.
 
Dilligaf60 said:
I actually googled her earlier, and that's the impression I got. I don't think she has a great deal of credibility and hopefully before anyone gives any credence to her opinions they'll do a bit of checking first. It's a shame the organisation she works for doesn't have better representation.
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Her statement last night that it was akin to the Saville case removed any credibility she MIGHT have had and demeaned all those victims of Saville. What ever side of the fence you are on in this argument it can be no way considered remotely similar to his systematic abuse of hundreds over the years.
 
janey said:
Her statement last night that it was akin to the Saville case removed any credibility she MIGHT have had and demeaned all those victims of Saville. What ever side of the fence you are on in this argument it can be no way considered remotely similar to his systematic abuse of hundreds over the years.
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I don't think she was trying to say the extent of the offending was similar, but the 'brush it under the carpet' approach was. It was obviously a bad example.
 
prehab26 said:
Disagree. Those who have issues with the statement, would you continually want more information if the statement clearly denied that the club seen the messages and evidence and that AJ told them about kiss?

I wouldn't. I bet those who have an issue wouldn't either. Those were the 2 serious allegations that were made and put to the club. We have not denied them. It really is that simple.
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Well, they could ask if they, who, studied the messages, when did they come into their possession, how did they they come to be in their possession, how many did they study, were they informed that they were handed every single message, precisely how long did the messages remain in their possession, did they seek legal advice over each individual message, or, in the case of the Daily Star et al, was the kiss passionate, did it involve tongues, was it reciprocated.

The probability is that without further comment the media will push this only as long as they feel it's adding to circulation, in my admittedly jaundiced view that's the extent of their interest in what is in national terms a nothing story. Without the involvement of a footballer it would have been covered in an inch of newsprint and forgotten in minutes.
 
haway said:
Do you or do you not accept that there are a wide range of media sources and groups asking for more information from SAFC?

You've said several times in this thread, flippant or not, words to the effect of 'why would safc respond when it's only a few people asking for a response'.

You might fine well think that the media hoo-har and people speaking out doesn't deserve a response, but it's silly to pretend that this isn't a big issue. It's headlined several papers man.
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He's spent a lot of time on this thread quoting others and picking their postings apart but as soon as someone does it to him 'I was just being flippant' and 'I didn't really mean that'.

He lost it by saying he would take a viewpoint if this was happening to another club. A crime as serious as this goes beyond any petty football rivalry. Well, you would have thought so, anyway.
 
Cack Stottie said:
All they have to do is produce another statement denying we knew anything about the following:
  • Johnson admitted to a senior official of the club that he had committed an offence by kissing an underage girl in a sexual manner
  • Senior official(s) of the club saw a transcript of WhatsApp messages that indicated Johnson was guilty of a sex offence against an underage girl
If they do, then for me I accept that.
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This! Im a SAFC fans and so I really do want to believe them. If it was the clubs word vs Johnson I would of course believe my club. But its Johnsons word and no denial currently.
 
redandwhiterob said:
You must have 200 posts on this thread ;):lol:
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This is my longest thread marathon by a f***ing length.

It involves; Sunderland AFC, a criminal trial, Margaret Byrne f***ing up, a badly worded statement, Reiver and Janey getting the wrong end of the stick repeatedly. Even a few posts from Ollie C defending anything and everything the club ever does.

I was never going to not post a lot in this one... :lol::lol:
 
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