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Adam Johnson appeal

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haway said:
I think you are unlucky if you drink drive and kill someone. Unlucky doesn't mean it's somehow ok, just that you have a death on your hands and face a long custodial sentence when most times you wouldn't have.

Personally I see crime as being a terrible event for everyone concerned. There was a lorry driver recently who got 10 years for killing a few people while looking at his phone. Of course, my main sympathy lies with those who died and their families, but I also feel sorry for the offenders wife etc who has lost a husband. And I do think it's a further tragedy that someone has blood on their hands and is in prison for 10 years for doing something stupid.

I don't use my phone or drink drive, but if I misjudged overtaking or something and killed someone I would be completely devastated. I don't think there are any winners.
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I totally disagree with this. it's a conscious moral choice. Break the law, or don't break the law.
 

haway said:
Do you think people who punch someone once and they drop down, and die, are unlucky? Or does luck play no role?
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No, I think they're utter bastards for punching somebody, unless used in self defence. You can't drink, and drive, or use your phone in self defence.
 
Purrfect South said:
No, I think they're utter bastards for punching somebody, unless used in self defence. You can't drink, and drive, or use your phone in self defence.
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Yes. I think that people who punch people are Doing something immoral. But again, 50% odd of men will have hit someone unprovoked at some point. If you are the person who hits someone and they die, I think you're unlucky. That doesn't somehow mean it's ok that you punched someone, but I think you can reasonably say that there's some bad luck involved.
 
TZMouk said:
Exactly that's what it boils down to.
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I'm pretty sure he thought, a, he wouldn't get caught, b, it didn't apply to him. It seems a prevalent attitude among some young professional footballers these days. He had a nice young lass and a new baby, this alone should have precluded him doing what he did. He had it all, then threw it away. Tough shit.
 
haway said:
Yes. I think that people who punch people are Doing something immoral. But again, 50% odd of men will have hit someone unprovoked at some point. If you are the person who hits someone and they die, I think you're unlucky. That doesn't somehow mean it's ok that you punched someone, but I think you can reasonably say that there's some bad luck involved.
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Alcohol would play a massive part in this statistic, if true.
 
haway said:
I think you are unlucky if you drink drive and kill someone. Unlucky doesn't mean it's somehow ok, just that you have a death on your hands and face a long custodial sentence when most times you wouldn't have.

Personally I see crime as being a terrible event for everyone concerned. There was a lorry driver recently who got 10 years for killing a few people while looking at his phone. Of course, my main sympathy lies with those who died and their families, but I also feel sorry for the offenders wife etc who has lost a husband. And I do think it's a further tragedy that someone has blood on their hands and is in prison for 10 years for doing something stupid.

I don't use my phone or drink drive, but if I misjudged overtaking or something and killed someone I would be completely devastated. I don't think there are any winners.
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Those 'few people' were a family, a mother and three kids aged only 13 years & 11 years old.

From the news article - The court heard the 30-year-old was so distracted by his phone he barely looked at the road for almost a kilometre. He ploughed into the family's stationary car at 50mph while scrolling through music on his mobile phone. Their car was shunted underneath the back of a heavy goods vehicle and crushed to a third of its size. He also tried to claim his brakes had failed, telling officers the traffic in front of him "just stopped - I hit my brakes but just couldn't stop".

Sorry but in this case he made a conscious decision to look at his phone instead of the road whilst driving a huge lorry. Its wasn't a 'stupid' decision he made, it was a downright dangerous one. It is against the law and resulted in a tragedy that could have been avoided . I don't feel sorry for him one bit.
 
haway said:
Do you think people who punch someone once and they drop down, and die, are unlucky? Or does luck play no role?
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In the law, that outcome is forseeable, which is why the perpetrator has to take the consequences. If they think "it won't happen to me", or are too stupid or selfish not to think of what might happen, the law doesn't have to give them more lenient treatment.
 
Not any way excusing the terrible thing Johnson did but this guy walking free doesn't sit comfortably with the six year sentence.

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The Fish said:
There's an element that seems unable to put their partisan allegiance to Sunderland AFC aside. Most Sunderland fans seem to want nothing more to do with Johnson, think he's a wrong'un and don't think the sentence is harsh at all. However there appears to be a minority who speak up for/defend/whatabout for a convicted sex offender because of his old connection to the club. Were he a kids tv presenter, or a popstar with similar access, appeal to and influence of kids, but no allegiance to SAFC, I'm sure they'd be in line to throw him under a bus.

This element exists in all fanbases mind you. There'll definitely be an element of Leicester fans who'll defend Vardy's racist incident and not because they think he's innocent, but because they won't countenance any criticism of their club or those associated with it. There's an element of Newcastle fans who leapt to the defence of Barton or Shelvey when they've done something wrong, even after the guilt was confirmed.
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It's a good post

I agree with most of it

I do however think the sentence is excessive relative to some other crimes. I have zero sympathy mind

That doesn't make me an apologist mind

Edit: I'm one of the few that thought he was shite for us in general anyway
 
The Fish said:
There's an element that seems unable to put their partisan allegiance to Sunderland AFC aside. Most Sunderland fans seem to want nothing more to do with Johnson, think he's a wrong'un and don't think the sentence is harsh at all. However there appears to be a minority who speak up for/defend/whatabout for a convicted sex offender because of his old connection to the club. Were he a kids tv presenter, or a popstar with similar access, appeal to and influence of kids, but no allegiance to SAFC, I'm sure they'd be in line to throw him under a bus.

This element exists in all fanbases mind you. There'll definitely be an element of Leicester fans who'll defend Vardy's racist incident and not because they think he's innocent, but because they won't countenance any criticism of their club or those associated with it. There's an element of Newcastle fans who leapt to the defence of Barton or Shelvey when they've done something wrong, even after the guilt was confirmed.
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I took a peak at Sheff Utd's forum while the Ched Evans case was ongoing & many were trying to defend him, so you're correct to say it happens within all fanbases. I'd wager if I'd visited a Sheff Wed forum to get their viewpoint, it would be 99.9% condemnation of his actions.
 
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