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A very powerful moment in British sport

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scott934 said:
It doesn't make the BLM cause any less valid, but it makes a mockery of their (PL) false morality.
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I'm sure most couldn't care less about the PL. They are simply a money making machine.

The fact they are global helps the movement, which is all that matters. Well that and black lives.
Hulkster said:
Literally being made to kneel, or face being made a complete outcast and having enormous amounts of abuse directed at you.
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Whats your take on McClean not wearing the poppy? Applaud him? He certainly had more logical reasons not to as opposed to someone not wanting equality for black people.
robbied1 said:
It's all part of an agenda, it's good people are opening their eyes up a bit now. A Hungarian multi multi billionaire who is 89 funds black lives matter
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Most haven't a clue about who funds it, the foundation or owt else. Nor do they care. It's simply about highlighting and recognising inequality. And rightly so.
 
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dangermows said:
I'm sure most couldn't care less about the PL. They are simply a money making machine.

The fact they are global helps the movement, which is all that matters. Well that and black lives.


Whats your take on McClean not wearing the poppy? Applaud him? He certainly had more logical reasons not to as opposed to someone not wanting equality for black people.


Most haven't a clue about who funds it, the foundation or owt else. Nor do they care. It's simply about highlighting and recognising inequality. And rightly so.
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That's your perception on what it's about. You dont think people should take an interest in who funds it??? I personally think it's highly important , especially if their is an agenda behind it
 
dangermows said:
Let's be honest nest, it's a particular type that are angry about it. The bullshit being sprayed about how it's not equality for blacks that's the issue, it's the hidden agenda of the foundation, is hilarious. Or coincidental that it just so happens to be coming from those who are right wing, moaned about the protests the other weekend (although forgot to mention political aims of the foundation being the issue), were supportive of Tommy's lot, voted leave and generally oppose immigration.
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I'm a lifelong Labour voter and volunteer (ex Party member), I voted remain, and am in favour of immigration.

The people screeching 'Racists!' on this thread are ironically the ones generalising people who don't agree with them.
 
I am still confused - George Floyd was arrested 5 times for dealing cocaine . He could not of cared less about the black lives that he destroyed .
He could not of cared less about the damage he did to black families , and black children .
Why people are taking a knee in remembrance of such an inadequate man is a mystery .
As previously stated I really hope that the PL Muslim players organise simaler protests on behalf of the Chinese Uighurs - who are being persecuted in China
By allowing virtue signalling for one - it now has to be allowed for all . Regardless of the cost to the PL .
 
Tictactom66 said:
I am still confused - George Floyd was arrested 5 times for dealing cocaine . He could not of cared less about the black lives that he destroyed .
He could not of cared less about the damage he did to black families , and black children .
Why people are taking a knee in remembrance of such an inadequate man is a mystery .
As previously stated I really hope that the PL Muslim players organise simaler protests on behalf of the Chinese Uighurs - who are being persecuted in China
By allowing virtue signalling for one - it now has to be allowed for all . Regardless of the cost to the PL .
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You're not confused. You're a racist pretending to be confused
 
robbied1 said:
That's your perception on what it's about. You dont think people should take an interest in who funds it??? I personally think it's highly important , especially if their is an agenda behind it
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Most are simply focusing on the message. In fact even those now using the other stuff as excuse to mask their prejudice were too, hence it wasn't even mention a couple of weekends back, it was more just "blacks aren't disadvantaged here".

If you mentioned it previously then fair play you.
Scunny Dan said:
I'm a lifelong Labour voter and volunteer (ex Party member), I voted remain, and am in favour of immigration.

The people screeching 'Racists!' on this thread are ironically the ones generalising people who don't agree with them.
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If that is true, can you give me a reason you'd object to a simple symbolic gesture which is calling for equality? I'm intrigued.
 
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scott934 said:
Ideally they'd start by making sure they aren't a part of the problem before preaching about how the public need to be better.
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So in terms of racial inequality, over-policing of black communities and police brutality what would you have them do?
 
Hulkster said:
Honestly I don't even know what it is they are protesting or what it is they want to achieve at this point.

This was all prompted by the murder of someone thousands of miles away, which may or may not have been racially motivated.

Then it seemed to have moved on to a protest about the slave trade, which we made a great national effort to eradicate in this country centuries ago. Now it's all very nebulous and ranges from attacking Churchill and the Cenotaph, requiring people to kneel and just generally making white people acknowledge how awful they are.

It now also means "defunding the police" as well as a commitment to "dismantle capitalism" and "patriarchy" (taken from the BLM fundraising page).

It's difficult to know what it is specifically they are taking a stand against, but whatever it is there would seem to be far more pressing matters, for example real actual slavery in the present day, that could use their energy and focus.
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It was prompted by the death of an (unarmed) black man, from incredibly untrained (and arguably racially motivated) police officers.

This can quite easily link to racism, which I'm sure you'll know is still a huge thing in society.

Why shouldn't the protests "move on to a protest about the slave trade". Hank mentioned before that Uncle Ben's is the latest 'casualty' as it is linked to the slave trade.
"It comes after Aunt Jemima, a brand known for it's syrup have decided to change their logo. The Aunt Jemima brand's logo was inspired by Nancy Green, who was born a slave in Kentucky. The name of the Aunt Jemima brand is said to have potentially came from an 1875 song Old Aunt Jemima, which was typically sang by a white man in blackface.

The words 'Uncle' and 'Aunt' were words directed at black people of the older generation as white people refused to call the 'Mr.' and 'Mrs.'.

I've found on the Uncle Ben's website, that the name Uncle Ben was first used in 1946 in reference to a black farmer that grew rice.

These are probably the reasons why they are the latest 'casualty'."

With the quoted in mind, do you agree that links to slavery of blacks is still relevant in today's society and that those companies are right to change their brands? With this in mind, surely you think that protesting "about the slave trade" was beneficial?

It's ironic that you'd make a point about the slave trade being eradicated, so people shouldn't protest it, yet use the Winston Churchill statue in the same point.

I mentioned in an earlier post that it's really unfair on players opposed to kneel, and if they did they'd likely be given ridiculous amounts of abuse, which obviously isn't fair, or right.

I'd imagine the Black Lives Matter movement stands against the racism in society against blacks.
 
Skippo said:
So in terms of racial inequality, over-policing of black communities and police brutality what would you have them do?
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The Premier League? Set rules so clubs can't benefit from cheap foreign labour, don't accept immoral sponsorships from bookies, breweries, payday loan companies etc. While they're on, don't allow immoral people to purchase clubs.
 
Get Into Em said:
It was prompted by the death of an (unarmed) black man, from incredibly untrained (and arguably racially motivated) police officers.

This can quite easily link to racism, which I'm sure you'll know is still a huge thing in society.

Why shouldn't the protests "move on to a protest about the slave trade". Hank mentioned before that Uncle Ben's is the latest 'casualty' as it is linked to the slave trade.
"It comes after Aunt Jemima, a brand known for it's syrup have decided to change their logo. The Aunt Jemima brand's logo was inspired by Nancy Green, who was born a slave in Kentucky. The name of the Aunt Jemima brand is said to have potentially came from an 1875 song Old Aunt Jemima, which was typically sang by a white man in blackface.

The words 'Uncle' and 'Aunt' were words directed at black people of the older generation as white people refused to call the 'Mr.' and 'Mrs.'.

I've found on the Uncle Ben's website, that the name Uncle Ben was first used in 1946 in reference to a black farmer that grew rice.

These are probably the reasons why they are the latest 'casualty'."

With the quoted in mind, do you agree that links to slavery of blacks is still relevant in today's society and that those companies are right to change their brands? With this in mind, surely you think that protesting "about the slave trade" was beneficial?

It's ironic that you'd make a point about the slave trade being eradicated, so people shouldn't protest it, yet use the Winston Churchill statue in the same point.

I mentioned in an earlier post that it's really unfair on players opposed to kneel, and if they did they'd likely be given ridiculous amounts of abuse, which obviously isn't fair, or right.

I'd imagine the Black Lives Matter movement stands against the racism in society against blacks.
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Slavery is still relevant in today's society because there are still actual slaves. Although they are all in Asia and Africa, the places where these protests aren't taking place and where they are not being directed.

The fact that the name of a brand of rice can be traced back to racist attitudes nearly a century ago does not make slavery a relevant issue for people living in western countries today, no. And even if it did, the relevance would be in America, not the UK. I couldn't really give a fig about them changing their name but doing so will certainly not free a single slave, past or present.
 
General Zod said:
I agree with the 3 words themselves - black lives do matter & I support equality.

However, the organisation behind it is a bit more sinister. Have a look on their gofundme page - they want to abolish the police and want to bring down the existing system (without a feasible suggestion for an alternative).


By getting "black lives matter" on each of the player's shirts the premier league are now deemed to be supporting this, not sure how they'll square that when crowds return and police are needed.

I'd rather they had "kick racism out" on the back of their shirts than "black lives matter"
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I could not agree more. There seems to be a total lack of awareness that BLM is a political movement. We have heard a lot about "defunding the police" in recent media coverage and this can vary to differing extremes. From redirecting some of police funds to community projects to completing cut off the police from all funding. One of BLM's main objective is to "abolish the police". In reality, can anyone - hand on heart - say this is really practical???
 
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