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2nd Test XI

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TheRey said:
Burns
Hameed
Malan
Root
Stokes
Pope
Buttler
Woakes
Robinson
Broad
Anderson
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It's a reflection of our poor batting options when the batsmen fail and keep their places, but the bowling department changes.

Unfortunately we've got little in the way of batting replacements. Crawley etc will probably fare no better than this lot
 

Hettonlass said:
Burns
Hameed
Malan
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Buttler
Woakes
Robinson
Broad
Anderson
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Agree with this - would like to see Burns dropped in an ideal world but can see that there isn't really anyone there could could feasibly come in, other than maybe Crawley
 
My entry for deckchairs on the Titanic:

Hameed
Crawley
Malan
Root
Stokes
Lawrence
Buttler
Robinson
Woakes
Wood
Anderson
JackL said:
Agree with this - would like to see Burns dropped in an ideal world but can see that there isn't really anyone there could could feasibly come in, other than maybe Crawley
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Bracey got runs for the Lions. Just don't give him the gloves.
 
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Steak Pie said:
Currently playing in the stupidest of all competitions, the Abu Dhabi T10.

What a waste.
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Absolute farce.

Not having him there is typical of the decisions that make no sense which those in charge can’t seem to stop making.

They’ve clearly made white ball a priority, but really, how does him playing there benefit anyone? Other than his bank manager, obviously.
 
Salem Street South said:
Absolute farce.

Not having him there is typical of the decisions that make no sense which those in charge can’t seem to stop making.

They’ve clearly made white ball a priority, but really, how does him playing there benefit anyone? Other than his bank manager, obviously.
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Or maybe Liam's record in longer format bang average
 
chopsfc007 said:
Or maybe Liam's record in longer format bang average
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First class average of 38 with a high score of 220+ apparently.

Not saying he'd have had a KP 2005 effect but I'd have taken him along. Another option for spin and would likely do OK in the middle order.
 
Salem Street South said:
Would have been great if Livingstone was there mind, attacking batting in the middle order and another spin option to go with Root.

Whatever happens I do not want to see Burns and his fecklessness opening the batting.
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no it wouldnt

he would never ever score big 100s in Australia, as anyone who has seen him play over the last 2 years will agree with

why a few 6s in the 100 has any impact of grinding out 100s at test level against Hazlewood and Cummins I have no idea

the worst part is if he came in and failed people would jyst blame the selectors, like they did with Jason Roy.
I am Boss said:
First class average of 38 with a high score of 220+ apparently.

Not saying he'd have had a KP 2005 effect but I'd have taken him along. Another option for spin and would likely do OK in the middle order.
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his overall career average has no relevance

its the last 2 years where his technique has gone compeltely to pot because of this white ball travels around the world for most of the year.

he wouldnt have scored runs like, he was interviewd on the cricket analyst podcast and he basicsally admitted that his red ball technique wasnt right at the minute due to that
chopsfc007 said:
I meant his record from last season
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and the year before.

talented lad

but if he ever wants to play tests he needs to at least ease up on some of the tournaments he plays, its basically his full time job now on the circuit.

Travis Head is a good example of an attacking player who has played a lot of longer form domestic cricket recently.


BTW I really like Linvingstone and suggested him when he was younger
Hettonlass said:
Burns
Hameed
Malan
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Buttler
Woakes
Robinson
Broad
Anderson
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No way you can leave Wood out

its flat as pancake in Adelaide most the time

we have to play Wood, Robinson and a spinner
 
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The Rat said:
no it wouldnt

he would never ever score big 100s in Australia, as anyone who has seen him play over the last 2 years will agree with

why a few 6s in the 100 has any impact of grinding out 100s at test level against Hazlewood and Cummins I have no idea

the worst part is if he came in and failed people would jyst blame the selectors, like they did with Jason Roy.


his overall career average has no relevance

its the last 2 years where his technique has gone compeltely to pot because of this white ball travels around the world for most of the year.

he wouldnt have scored runs like, he was interviewd on the cricket analyst podcast and he basicsally admitted that his red ball technique wasnt right at the minute due to that


and the year before.

talented lad

but if he ever wants to play tests he needs to at least ease up on some of the tournaments he plays, its basically his full time job now on the circuit.

Travis Head is a good example of an attacking player who has played a lot of longer form domestic cricket recently.


BTW I really like Linvingstone and suggested him when he was younger
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The pedant in me says the same about Buttler, picked on white ball form only ;-)

But let’s definitely not go there!
 
TheRey said:
Burns
Hameed
Malan
Root
Stokes
Pope
Buttler
Woakes
Robinson
Broad
Anderson


Don't see the point in playing a spinner, under lights, with a pink ball. Especially as his confidence will be shot
Wood bowled beautifully in Brisbane but he can't play every Test, and this is one where we can probably get by without him
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I know its all about the opinios but just stunned anyone leaves Wood out

we HAVE to win this test or the series is over

people havs misconceptions about pink tests, most of the game is played in the sunshine

we need his pace

no point resting him for games if we are 2-0 down

we need a spinner also mind, you cant pick a bowling line up expecting to be bowled out for 150

you need to pick a team for 4 or 5 days and its the batsman fault if we dont get there
chunkylover53 said:
The pedant in me says the same about Buttler, picked on white ball form only ;)

But let’s definitely not go there!
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I mean its a valid point Chunky

Buttler has done OK IMO, but if we go by your judgement and you think he hasn;t, he is probs our best white ball batter alongside Bairstow, and Buttler has struggled

So why would Liv do any better?

Thats the point I think.
 
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The Rat said:
I know its all about the opinios but just stunned anyone leaves Wood out

we HAVE to win this test or the series is over

people havs misconceptions about pink tests, most of the game is played in the sunshine

we need his pace

no point resting him for games if we are 2-0 down

we need a spinner also mind, you cant pick a bowling line up expecting to be bowled out for 150

you need to pick a team for 4 or 5 days and its the batsman fault if we dont get there


I mean its a valid point Chunky

Buttler has done OK IMO, but if we go by your judgement and you think he hasn;t, he is probs our best white ball batter alongside Bairstow, and Buttler has struggled

So why would Liv do any better?

Thats the point I think.
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Indeed. I don’t think Livingstone would do better. I think he’s got good mentality, and little competition. But unlikely to be a success
 
Salem Street South said:
Absolute farce.

Not having him there is typical of the decisions that make no sense which those in charge can’t seem to stop making.

They’ve clearly made white ball a priority, but really, how does him playing there benefit anyone? Other than his bank manager, obviously.
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He averaged 7 in red ball cricket last summer from I believe 10 games.

Clearly becoming an excellent white ball player has impacted him like it has many.

Not a chance he should be in the squad. You can't be picked off zero form due to just hitting 6s in T20 cricket.
 
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The Rat said:
no it wouldnt

he would never ever score big 100s in Australia, as anyone who has seen him play over the last 2 years will agree with

why a few 6s in the 100 has any impact of grinding out 100s at test level against Hazlewood and Cummins I have no idea

the worst part is if he came in and failed people would jyst blame the selectors, like they did with Jason Roy.
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I’ve not mentioned him hitting big hundreds in Australia but saying he “never ever” will is just nonsense.

In your opinion he won’t but having seen him play in the past two years my opinion is he is more than capable. It’s not all about big hundreds either - I’d settle for consistent runs and a bit of fight from the middle order at this point.

His mentality seems to be good and is similar to Stokes in attitude in that I don’t think he’d be overawed by the situation and would help us compete.

I’d rather see him bat 6 than Ollie bloody Pope every day of the week and his ability to bowl spin would be an added plus.
 
Salem Street South said:
I’ve not mentioned him hitting big hundreds in Australia but saying he “never ever” will is just nonsense.

In your opinion he won’t but having seen him play in the past two years my opinion is he is more than capable. It’s not all about big hundreds either - I’d settle for consistent runs and a bit of fight from the middle order at this point.

His mentality seems to be good and is similar to Stokes in attitude in that I don’t think he’d be overawed by the situation and would help us compete.

I’d rather see him bat 6 than Ollie bloody Pope every day of the week and his ability to bowl spin would be an added plus.
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You haven’t seen him play a red ball innings in the last 2 years though have you?

Why would you want him batting 6?

What reason apart from hitting some 6s against a white ball than does absolutely nothing
anyway the most important thing on Thursday is Mark Wood

He HAS to play

3rd on the team sheet for me behind Root and Stokes.

I'd play Leach too personally, although I agree thats more debatable.

Atherton made the key point on Sky, England get bowled out for 150 so then Leach becomes useless. But you cant pick a team based on that scenario, as if you get bowled out for 150 you are gonna lose no matter what your team is.
 
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The Rat said:
You haven’t seen him play a red ball innings in the last 2 years though have you?

Why would you want him batting 6?

What reason apart from hitting some 6s against a white ball than does absolutely nothing
anyway the most important thing on Thursday is Mark Wood

He HAS to play

3rd on the team sheet for me behind Root and Stokes.

I'd play Leach too personally, although I agree thats more debatable.

Atherton made the key point on Sky, England get bowled out for 150 so then Leach becomes useless. But you cant pick a team based on that scenario, as if you get bowled out for 150 you are gonna lose no matter what your team is.
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I’ve given you the reasons. You’re not interested in records when it comes to Crawley over Burns so I don’t know why lack of form matters when it comes to Livingstone.
 
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