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19/11/16 - 5pm - Protest at the Murray Gates

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8 JLB said:
I'll sit on this thread all night and argue with anyone who thinks supporters shouldn't have a voice, in whichever means they choose (so long as its legal).
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Of course we should, but this was ridiculous before today's result, which I was pretty vocal about a week ago.
 

8 JLB said:
After Arsenal not many on here can say they weren't having similar thoughts.
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I wasn't. Protesting against a bloke who has tried all he can to make us better? I was never agreeing on this, like many others. Obviously it hasn't worked, bit he's always had the best interests of the club at heart imo and this would have been unfair. I also think he would sell tomorrow if he could, so protesting for a man to leave, who would given half the chance, just seemed ridiculous to me.

8 JLB said:
The thread is 3 weeks old. No one suggested it today. People were bumping it, trying to be clever because they claimed they had predicted back to back wins.
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I first chipped on this page 4 mate and been consistently against this from the start, thanks. Back to back defeats and I still wouldn't agree tbh. He's backed managers and hasn't told them to buy shite.
 
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John J Rambo said:
I wasn't. Protesting against a bloke who has tried all he can to make us better? I was never agreeing on this, like many others. Obviously it hasn't worked, bit he's always had the best interests of the club at heart imo and this would have been unfair. I also think he would sell tomorrow if he could, so protesting for a man to leave, who would given half the chance, just seemed ridiculous to me.
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Well on that we disagree.

I think he's embarassed our football club for long enough. His leadership is appalling..
And I'm suspicious of his motives. And if you take him at face value you haven't read enough about him.

However, I think he's quite simply stupid. Rather than sinister.
 
8 JLB said:
Well on that we disagree.

I think he's embarassed our football club for long enough. His leadership is appalling..
And I'm suspicious of his motives. And if you take him at face value you haven't read enough about him.

However, I think he's quite simply stupid. Rather than sinister.
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How's he embarrassed the football club exactly? What has he done personally to make you think that? Obviously our position tells its own story, but what has he done to cause that?
 
John J Rambo said:
How's he embarrassed the football club exactly? What has he done personally to make you think that? Obviously our position tells its own story, but what has he done to cause that?
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I posted a list earlier

Under his leadership

- an underage sex scandal, blown up bigger than it should ever been thanks to mismanagement
- 5 successive desperate relegation battles,
- 10 yrs in the Premier League, the richest league in the world, with more debt than the rest of the league put together - all neatly packaged into high interest loans and credit notes made out to himself
- 9 managers. Most of which have slated the way the club is run.
- a sorry list of chancers and shysters on the payroll who've mostly been exposed as worthless, talentless or clueless

But you'll claim none of the above is his fault.
As owner and chairman you'll likely come back at me and say he's just a gurning simpleton who loves a selfie and couldn't possibly have overseen this shambles.
 
8 JLB said:
I posted a list earlier

Under his leadership

- an underage sex scandal, blown up bigger than it should ever been thanks to mismanagement
- 5 successive desperate relegation battles,
- 10 yrs in the Premier League, the richest league in the world, with more debt than the rest of the league put together - all neatly packaged into high interest loans and credit notes made out to himself
- 9 managers. Most of which have slated the way the club is run.
- a sorry list of chancers and shysters on the payroll who've mostly been exposed as worthless, talentless or clueless

But you'll claim none of the above is his fault.
As owner and chairman you'll likely come back at me and say he's just a gurning simpleton who loves a selfie and couldn't possibly have overseen this shambles.
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Can't even be arsed to answer all them, you've already got your mind made up though, so this is a waste of time.
 
Yeah, fuck Ellis Short for his substantial financial investment in Sunderland AFC which amounts to far more money than anyone else in the clubs history, while unlike other owners keeping matches relatively affordable for fans to attend.

He's made plenty of mistake sure, but there doesn't actually seem to be any problem that couldn't realistically be resolved by just simply employing knowledgeable people in key areas to help him steer the direction of the club away from where we are now rather than opting for the terrifyingly insane nuclear option of wanting him to leave
 
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John J Rambo said:
Can't even be arsed to answer all them, you've already got your mind made up though, so this is a waste of time.
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What's the point in that?

They're facts.

I've never known a chairman or a board of directors so utterly excused for the appalling performance of the organisation they run.

It's genius.
 
8 JLB said:
I posted a list earlier

Under his leadership

- an underage sex scandal, blown up bigger than it should ever been thanks to mismanagement
- 5 successive desperate relegation battles,
- 10 yrs in the Premier League, the richest league in the world, with more debt than the rest of the league put together - all neatly packaged into high interest loans and credit notes made out to himself
- 9 managers. Most of which have slated the way the club is run.
- a sorry list of chancers and shysters on the payroll who've mostly been exposed as worthless, talentless or clueless

But you'll claim none of the above is his fault.
As owner and chairman you'll likely come back at me and say he's just a gurning simpleton who loves a selfie and couldn't possibly have overseen this shambles.
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Other than on the debt side of it, which frankly I consider a vastly experienced billionaire hedge fund manager to be more knowledgable and in control of than anyone on the SMB and while he's overall accountable for the rest, none of it is actually directly his fault, no.
 
8 JLB said:
I posted a list earlier

Under his leadership

- an underage sex scandal, blown up bigger than it should ever been thanks to mismanagement
- 5 successive desperate relegation battles,
- 10 yrs in the Premier League, the richest league in the world, with more debt than the rest of the league put together - all neatly packaged into high interest loans and credit notes made out to himself
- 9 managers. Most of which have slated the way the club is run.
- a sorry list of chancers and shysters on the payroll who've mostly been exposed as worthless, talentless or clueless

But you'll claim none of the above is his fault.
As owner and chairman you'll likely come back at me and say he's just a gurning simpleton who loves a selfie and couldn't possibly have overseen this shambles.
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Actually I'll have a go
- ridiculous to blame him for the actions of another person on that.
- 10th highest net spenders, tells me that shouldn't happen.
- from Ferdinand to Fletcher and lens, backing managers with decent money, certainly enough for us to be competitive, to turn see those players leave for next to nowt, no wonder the debt has racked up, all the while, still making 30m available in the summer
- 9 managers? must have missed that
- millions wasted, so he tried something that has worked at other clubs. Yes it failed, so he'll be to blame there, but he had to try something and people he employed were highly rated elsewhere.

Obviously and mistakes have been made, doesn't take a genius to see that. But still believe he has the best interests of the club at heart and gets unfair criticism.

8 JLB said:
What's the point in that?

They're facts.

I've never known a chairman or a board of directors so utterly excused for the appalling performance of the organisation they run.

It's genius.
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There ya gan. Typed while you were waiting.
 
Thurston said:
Other than on the debt side of it, which frankly I consider a vastly experienced billionaire hedge fund manager to be more knowledgable and in control of than anyone on the SMB and while he's overall accountable for the rest, none of it is actually directly his fault, no.
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You know he's the owner and the chairman?

You do realise that. He's not the cleaner or the bus driver. Him and his board make every decision at the club.
 
We were still playing at 5 PM, this post explains why people started buggering off at half four. Must have been a hell of a crowd outside them gates;)
 
8 JLB said:
After Arsenal not many on here can say they weren't having similar thoughts.
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I wasn't and loads I know weren't. I actually thought it was possible Arsenal might give us a beating. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest Liverpool might possibly do the same. It happens. Back-to-back wins occasionally happen and even Pickford clean sheets can be added.

We are not clear of trouble and it might get a lot worse. We are not relegated either.

I'm going to enjoy the rest of the weekend, enjoy match of the day and wish @Mrjardine and family all the best with the new arrival.
 
Thurston said:
Other than on the debt side of it, which frankly I consider a vastly experienced billionaire hedge fund manager to be more knowledgable and in control of than anyone on the SMB and while he's overall accountable for the rest, none of it is actually directly his fault, no.
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Catch 22 with that. He's consistently backed managers to watch it spunked away and no return from it. In the meantime, he's still had to back managers to at least try to make us competitive. He gets grief for not spending as it is, unfairly, but he can't just say there's no money we're in debt, so what can he do? Ideally we should he buying the likes of Kone and developing more pickfords and selling them on for big money, then replace, build and move on and repeat. Imagine the uproar when we sell Pickford, even if it's for 20m+? That's how we should be ran, on and off the field. Buy right and a good youth set up, then sell for big and move on. Southampton have done this brilliantly and should be an example to all clubs like us.
 
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