‘Glasgow Rangers’.

[mackembhoy]

I get what you’re saying, but surely if the league was the highest attended then the majority of fans would be home fans. Of course Celtic and Rangers are going to take big numbers if available, they’re about an hour on the coach from most grounds in Scotland and have big followings all around Scotland. I just think a true reflection would be off home fans going and then away fans.

I think your maybe misunderstanding the stat. It's just a stat based on how many people attend the games based on population size.

It's only based on the top flights as well.

Top European Leagues Per Capita (Attendance per 1,000 population):

• Scottish Premiership (Scotland): 18.5
• Primeira Liga (Portugal): 10.7
• Eredivisie (Netherlands): 9.77
• Premier League (England): 6.97

 

[Dun Scathach]

Is it though really? I’d suggest they’re cooking the books a bit if the likes of Livingston and Motherwell etc are getting 4,000 home fans in, and giving away massive away sections to the likes of Rangers and Celtic with more away fans in the ground. Just doesn’t seem like a true reflection.

I think you might be confusing it with the highest attendance by total or something.

The metric UEFA use is of every 1000 people in that country, how many attend a match on a match day. In Scotland it’s 18.5 people out of every 1000 that live in that country will go to a match on a weekend. In England, it was 6 per 1000 people for reference.

It’s really easy to punch down in Scottish football, call it shite, call it a pub league or whatever but I will never understand that.

It is a small country with a strong commitment and passion for the game we all love. What good does it do to try and run it down or pull it apart, particularly its fans and how much they clearly love the game?

 

[CheersMarra84]

I think your maybe misunderstanding the stat. It's just a stat based on how many people attend the games based on population size.

It's only based on the top flights as well.

Top European Leagues Per Capita (Attendance per 1,000 population):

• Scottish Premiership (Scotland): 18.5
• Primeira Liga (Portugal): 10.7
• Eredivisie (Netherlands): 9.77
• Premier League (England): 6.97

I’m not misunderstanding anything mate, I know what it means. I’m saying it seems like Scottish league attendances are padded. I can guarantee all those other leagues that majority of match going fans are home fans. Anyway that’s my final say on the matter.

 

[Dun Scathach]

I’m not misunderstanding anything mate, I know what it means. I’m saying it seems like Scottish league attendances are padded. I can guarantee all those other leagues that majority of match going fans are home fans. Anyway that’s my final say on the matter.

What does being a home fan have to do with anything?

If you take 1000 people in Scotland and 1000 people in any other country in Europe. More out of that 1000 in Scotland will attend football games than in any other European country.

Modern Britain, disagree with facts and go with vibes. Double down. Remain 100% confident

 

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[CheersMarra84]

What does being a home fan have to do with anything?

If you take 1000 people in Scotland and 1000 people in any other country in Europe. More out of that 1000 in Scotland will attend football games than in any other European country.

Modern Britain, disagree with facts and go with vibes. Double down. Remain 100% confident

 

[Lucky1985]

I get what you’re saying, but surely if the league was the highest attended then the majority of fans would be home fans. Of course Celtic and Rangers are going to take big numbers if available, they’re about an hour on the coach from most grounds in Scotland and have big followings all around Scotland. I just think a true reflection would be off home fans going and then away fans.

Why does that matter?

I don’t have any qualms in the inclusion of away fans in the statement. They are attending the game just as the home fans are.

The more obvious point of contention is the need for the caveat ‘per capita’. No one cares how small or unpopulous the country is. They just care whether the league is popular and well attended. And so if the average attendance of a match is only a couple of thousand, then it doesn’t matter if every person in the village had turned up to support their team, because it doesn’t change the fact that the attendance is still only a couple of thousand.

 

[Crook]

Why does that matter?

I don’t have any qualms in the inclusion of away fans in the statement. They are attending the game just as the home fans are.

The more obvious point of contention is the need for the caveat ‘per capita’. No one cares how small or unpopulous the country is. They just care whether the league is popular and well attended. And so if the average attendance of a match is only a couple of thousand, then it doesn’t matter if every person in the village had turned up to support their team, because it doesn’t change the fact that the attendance is still only a couple of thousand.

I think he's just a bit thick marra, doesn't understand numbers or percentages

 

[Dun Scathach]

Why does that matter?

I don’t have any qualms in the inclusion of away fans in the statement. They are attending the game just as the home fans are.

The more obvious point of contention is the need for the caveat ‘per capita’. No one cares how small or unpopulous the country is. They just care whether the league is popular and well attended. And so if the average attendance of a match is only a couple of thousand, then it doesn’t matter if every person in the village had turned up to support their team, because it doesn’t change the fact that the attendance is still only a couple of thousand.

Conversely though, it means more people are in some way invested in their football club and that is the important metric.

Many reasons, some obvious, some less so and why some of the very big clubs and their commercial people from time to time are particularly interested in Scottish football and understanding the hows and the whys of how ‘fandom’ works there.

Just a quick question and assuming you’re north east based, if Sunderland weren’t playing this weekend, would you ever consider heading down to watch Hartlepool or maybe see what a match over in Carlisle looks like. Would you ever be interested to see how they play, what the ground is like etc? Just watch football in which you aren’t invested for the love of the game?

 

[CheersMarra84]

I think he's just a bit thick marra, doesn't understand numbers or percentages

Easy to say behind a screen you little soft ****

Why does that matter?

I don’t have any qualms in the inclusion of away fans in the statement. They are attending the game just as the home fans are.

The more obvious point of contention is the need for the caveat ‘per capita’. No one cares how small or unpopulous the country is. They just care whether the league is popular and well attended. And so if the average attendance of a match is only a couple of thousand, then it doesn’t matter if every person in the village had turned up to support their team, because it doesn’t change the fact that the attendance is still only a couple of thousand.

I didn’t say it mattered, I said would it not show a true reflection of actual match day going fans, that’s all. I haven’t got a problem with it if it’s helping smaller clubs. It wasn’t me that got sand in my fanny, I was just making an observation.

 

[Crook]

Easy to say behind a screen you little soft ****

It's not small Dougal, it's just far away

 

[Lucky1985]

Easy to say behind a screen you little soft ****

I didn’t say it mattered, I said would it not show a true reflection of actual match day going fans, that’s all. I haven’t got a problem with it if it’s helping smaller clubs. It wasn’t me that got sand in my fanny, I was just making an observation.

Are away fans not ‘actual match day going fans’?

 

[Wakoro]

Easy to say behind a screen you little soft ****

I didn’t say it mattered, I said would it not show a true reflection of actual match day going fans, that’s all. I haven’t got a problem with it if it’s helping smaller clubs. It wasn’t me that got sand in my fanny, I was just making an observation.

What you even on about? Just drop the ego and admit you were wrong. It's mad how people will just ignore facts and statistics these days and create their own reality out of emotion and ignorance. #arrogance #confidentlywrong #hubris

 

[SAFC Wilks]

Hope they beat Celtic, just so Hearts can likely win it.

 

[Steesafc]

All in on Rangers now, hope they do Celtic over and the Jam Tarts win the league!

 

[Lagger]

Hope they beat Celtic, just so Hearts can likely win it.

Think it’ll be a cracking game on Sunday

 

[Wearside Wanderer II]

I get what you’re saying, but surely if the league was the highest attended then the majority of fans would be home fans. Of course Celtic and Rangers are going to take big numbers if available, they’re about an hour on the coach from most grounds in Scotland and have big followings all around Scotland. I just think a true reflection would be off home fans going and then away fans.

An hour on the coach to most grounds.

This will be delightful news to all Scottish football fans, new Delorian Time Machine coaches.

 

[Mowgli]

Why does that matter?

I don’t have any qualms in the inclusion of away fans in the statement. They are attending the game just as the home fans are.

The more obvious point of contention is the need for the caveat ‘per capita’. No one cares how small or unpopulous the country is. They just care whether the league is popular and well attended. And so if the average attendance of a match is only a couple of thousand, then it doesn’t matter if every person in the village had turned up to support their team, because it doesn’t change the fact that the attendance is still only a couple of thousand.

It matters if you're trying to use the stat to show the appetite for football pyramid when the vast majority is 2 teams like.

 

[Crook]

It matters if you're trying to use the stat to show the appetite for football pyramid when the vast majority is 2 teams like.

It's not the vast majority though, is it?

They are massive compared to the other individual clubs, but the fans of the other clubs across the pyramid are the majority of match day going fans in Scotland. Not by much though, granted.

 

[Mowgli]

It's not the vast majority though, is it?

They are massive compared to the other individual clubs, but the fans of the other clubs across the pyramid are the majority of match day going fans in Scotland. Not by much though, granted.

Whats the statistics on that?

When rangers and celtic are ar home they'll have around 50/60k. Plus the away fans (which was the original posters argument) at around 4k at a guess.

So over 2 weekends the fans of old firm clubs will amount to an attendance of around 120,000.

Is there really more fans than that in the rest of the pyramid? Maybe there is, I don't know.

Edit - I've just had a quick look at the average attendances in all 4 leagues and its probsbly around the same figure in total.