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England vs Ireland, Match Thread

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essex boy said:
Andy why do you think England bowlers bowl on a length and when Jimmy runs through opposition in May and June in England why do you always have a wank about how good he is. Your contradicting yourself
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I'll give you a clue (type of wickets and conditions)
 

hutch said:
I'll give you a clue (type of wickets and conditions)
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Spot on :lol:

You can't blame Jimmy or anyone else for turning up at Lords on a cloudy May morning and bowling in the right areas. We would be in uproar if he started bowling slower balls and cutters in those conditions. You can only beat what's in front of you and at test level England have just about done that.
 
S'land till i die! said:
not questioning his test captaincy at all, but two 6-1 humiliations against aus and now the inept bowling performances these 3 games shows he doesnt have a clue if things arent workin out for him, o'briens innings was one of the greats, but we bowled 2 balls to him, no slowies, bouncers, no coming round to cramp him for room, it was so one dimensonal
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no idea why that didn't cross my mind before I posted. :oops:

Any suggestions to take over the one-dayers then?
 
hutch said:
I'll give you a clue (type of wickets and conditions)
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exactly. They run up in English conditions and bowl on a length and the pitch offers assistance so they dont need to do anything different. Its also why saying that Jimmy is bloody brilliant is complete crap, Stick him in the Indian side, and he wouldnt be in the worlds top 30 let alone top 10

The Breen Machine said:
Spot on :lol:

You can't blame Jimmy or anyone else for turning up at Lords on a cloudy May morning and bowling in the right areas. We would be in uproar if he started bowling slower balls and cutters in those conditions. You can only beat what's in front of you and at test level England have just about done that.
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When was the last time we beat India, Sri Lanka or South Africa who are the best sides in the world
 
essex boy said:
Andy why do you think England bowlers bowl on a length and when Jimmy runs through opposition in May and June in England why do you always have a wank about how good he is. Your contradicting yourself
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Because that is the best way of getting wickets in them conditions.

That's like saying why has Murali run through sides on the sub-continent for the past 15 years on pitches that spin for 4 days.
 
The difference between the bowling of the much maligned Malinger yesterday and our seamers today was astronomical.
 
mickey said:
The difference between the bowling of the much maligned Malinger yesterday and our seamers today was astronomical.
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Reinforces the point that we are referring to 2 different sports. The difference between Malinga and say Anderson/ Broad/Bresnan in one day cricket is phenomenal. He is however a fairly moderate test match bowler.
 
rentaghost said:
Reinforces the point that we are referring to 2 different sports. The difference between Malinga and say Anderson/ Broad/Bresnan in one day cricket is phenomenal. He is however a fairly moderate test match bowler.
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Begs the question then - are the selectors picking the best players for the different squads?
 
mickey said:
Begs the question then - are the selectors picking the best players for the different squads?
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They probably arent far off tbh. For years domestically James Kirtley was as good as any one day bowler around but I would expect he would be getting as big a hiding as the rest of them over there. I certainly think Broad, Bresnan and Swann are worthy of their places in this team even though the first two bowled a right parcel of shite today.
 
rentaghost said:
Reinforces the point that we are referring to 2 different sports. The difference between Malinga and say Anderson/ Broad/Bresnan in one day cricket is phenomenal. He is however a fairly moderate test match bowler.
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He also plays on flat wickets for the bulk of his test career. If a batsman doesnt want to play a shot in test cricket he doesnt have to
 
redandwhiterob said:
If you were comparing this shock to a one that could happen in football what would it be.

Man Utd getting beat off a good league 1 side maybe??:confused:
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haven't read the thread but that's not a good analogy at all...

england were terrible here in the one day games and struggled against holland. we're a poor one day side at the moment, unable to either defend a lead or chase one down. hardly a top of the league side.
 
rentaghost said:
But what if the ball is going to hit the stumps?
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What I mean is on flat wickets in test cricket, its hard to get players out. Our bowlers play over half their matches on seaming English decks.

How many seamers have had decent test careers from the sub continent over the last 10 years.....Vaas and Zaheer Khan
 
essex boy said:
What I mean is on flat wickets in test cricket, its hard to get players out. Our bowlers play over half their matches on seaming English decks.

How many seamers have had decent test careers from the sub continent over the last 10 years.....Vaas and Zaheer Khan
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Good, I much prefer us win Test Matches in this country instead of empty stadiums in Pakistan. Long may it continue.
 
essex boy said:
What I mean is on flat wickets in test cricket, its hard to get players out. Our bowlers play over half their matches on seaming English decks.

How many seamers have had decent test careers from the sub continent over the last 10 years.....Vaas and Zaheer Khan
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Our seamers adapt to bowl on English wickets, sub-continent seamers have to adapt to bowl on sub-continent wickets. Malinga cant do that, so isnt a very good test seamer.
 
The bowling wasn't up to much but give credit to Ireland, they didn't give up.

99/100 we'd have won that game at 111/5 but that was a once in a lifetime innings which we were on the end of. A fantastic knock mind which I thoroughly enjoyed in a perverse way :)
 
elder said:
haven't read the thread but that's not a good analogy at all...

england were terrible here in the one day games and struggled against holland. we're a poor one day side at the moment, unable to either defend a lead or chase one down. hardly a top of the league side.
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I am aware of that, I was talking about the gulf in standard between the two sides
 
Andy.SAFC said:
Our seamers adapt to bowl on English wickets, sub-continent seamers have to adapt to bowl on sub-continent wickets. Malinga cant do that, so isnt a very good test seamer.
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you dont adapt to bowl on English wickets, you grow up on green club wickets where you just pitch the ball on a length and let it zip around. This is then carried on into first class and then international cricket.

I would suggest Malinga has adapted very well to bowling on flat wickets. His lack of test form is strange and due to the fact I do not have the privelige of watching Sri Lankan home test matches I cannot comment on why he hasnt cracked test cricket. I bow to your vastly superior knowledge on this front
 
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