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University student stabbed

John the Savage said:
Well it's time we moved away from the idea of different cultures in the UK - there's one culture the UK culture - multi-ethnic yes, but how on on earth do we accomodate some of the horrific cultures prevalent in the third world and why should we?
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Bradford has just opened up the UKs biggest Asian shopping mall. This doesn't seem very inclusive or diverse to me. Why not have a variety of shops and eateries catering for everyone 🤷‍♂️

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McGregor said:
From what I'm reading about this is the police office was repeatedly told by the lad who was dying in front of his very eyes that he'd been stabbed and couldn't breathe, but said officer continued to cuff him essentially letting him die?

Or have I got this wrong? Seems indefensible. Not one to follow the news so only recently heard about this through this thread.
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Yes, this is true. However, the lad who stabbed him and actually murdered him has since been sent to prison for 21 yrs and all of this is somehow evidence of two tier policing. Oh, and the victims dad is saying do not use his sons death as an excuse to incite hatred, but some are actively choosing to ignore the request of a grieving father.
 
Pickle Rick said:
Ultimately that's your prerogative mate, and you can have the opinion you have based on what you see and hear which I guess is fine.

I will say though that between this account and my old one (PulseSAFC) I've been extremely vocal in my criticism of UK policing. 5 weeks ago I quit after 11 years in the job because it's fucked as an organisation, I believe it's broken in everything from recruitment to promotion to senior leader decision making which is abhorrently incompetent. So I truly have no skin in the game to try and defend it's actions.

The one thing I will sit and defend is this notion of two tier policing and decision making instincts at incidents based on skin colour. It just does not happen, and I've been to probably thousands of incidents with hundreds of colleague and it's never ever a factor in the decision making model at the time those decisions need making. Which is why I say the guidance is completely at odds with actual policing.

We can absolutely disagree, and I respect your opinion, but I'll happily continue stressing the above fact.
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Thank you for posting this.

The thing that has bothered me about this from the start isn’t the race aspect, or two tier policing, or any of the noise, it’s the ineptitude.

With stories like this, Wayne Couzens, the way Everard’s vigil was policed, and the fact that I can think of several occasions when the police have told brazen lies to the public (usually an exercise in arse covering) it’s little wonder public confidence in them is at a low.

I’m quite biased against the police, mainly because of unpleasant experiences with them as a youth, when I’d done nothing wrong.

I’ve met a fair few coppers and ex-coppers I’ve had a lot of respect for as individuals, but I struggle to respect the institution.
 
dangermows said:
Police fighting with Asian blokes.

- Disgraceful. There isn't any excuse to fight police.

Asian perpetrator isn't found guilty (on one of the charges).

- Feel so sorry for the police, must be completely demoralising going up against two tier courts.

- Labour/Starmer are to blame

People fighting with police in Southampton

- You can totally understand it. And they are only throwing a few things n that

Sikh perpetrator is wrongly identified as the victim, after he claimed to be a victim

- Police are a disgrace. Clear two tier policing.

- Labour/Starmer are to blame
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Nobody is that incompetent. Nobody.
 
McGregor said:
From what I'm reading about this is the police office was repeatedly told by the lad who was dying in front of his very eyes that he'd been stabbed and couldn't breathe, but said officer continued to cuff him essentially letting him die?

Or have I got this wrong? Seems indefensible. Not one to follow the news so only recently heard about this through this thread.
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It is a hard one to judge, going off what is seen on the body worn camera, reports and police programs etc

1) The Police thought they where turning up to a racist attack not a stabbing
2) The Family are telling the police he is drunk and has fallen down, and been trying to jump fences
3) Henry then says he has been stabbed 2-3 times before saying about being unable to breath.
4) Within 2minutes of police arriving on scene Henry had passed away


The report says the police couldn't have done anything to save the poor lads life, and I believe it would have been the same unfortunate outcome if paramedics where on site, even if the police had called for paramedics they wouldn't have arrived on scene in time to save his life. With regards to the not being able to breath comments made by Henry I can understand why the police may not have believed him at the time because the amount of people you see getting arrested who then claim they cannot breath or their arm is broken etc, so they may have been sceptical about that set of comments, it was also at 11:30pm so it could be easy to miss things in the pitch black.
 
tunstallhill said:
oh aye, in hindsight they should have a had a look immediately. i can see why in the first 60 seconds of their arrival on the scene it may have looked he was playing the funny bugger given how calm the rest of them were. it really didn't look like any of the family had been doing any stabbing, given their body language.

its 1000 peices of information landing at the coppers feet in the first 10 seconds of arrival and they've prioritised those elements of information wrong. why they did that, no one will know.

right wing people will say its because of inherent racism against white people
normal people will say its because they are human and humans make mistakes, in this instance a catastrophic mistake in the heat of the moment
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Personally I think any normal person, on seeing a person prostrate on the ground, gasping "I can't breathe" and saying "I've been stabbed", would have a little look.
Maybe I am not normal.
 
dangermows said:
People are going on as if they've seen a lad that is dying and deliberately chose to ignore it and arrest him because the perpetrator wasn't white. Which is complete bollocks. They didn't know/believe he'd been stabbed. You can't see any blood, the victim is quite calm and the perpetrator and family stood there rather than fleeing, having made the call in the first place, all added to the confusion.

The police at the scene should be pulled across the coals and I'm sure they will be as they were appalling. But no chance was it due to skin colour assessment.

I'm no huge fan of the police and have witnessed some officers behaving shockingly.

Ultimately, and sadly, people are using this tragedy for their own gain. Even ignoring the pleas from the victims parents.
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"The victim is quite calm" three minutes before becoming unconscious and then dying. I hope I am quite calm just before I die.
What were his last few words "Good evening chaps, You know that that nice bloke over there has just stabbed me five times and to tell the truth I am finding it rather difficult to breathe. But heyho, shit happens. Goodnight forever".
 
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