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University student stabbed


Stella Spark said:
The BLM movement called for an end of equality and social cohesion. They told black people they were oppressed when they weren't. They told white people they were oppressing when they weren't. They were violent and whipped up division. They called for white boycotts, destruction of and rewriting of our history and culture.
It resulted in racist recruitment in jobs and universities, where white people were actively discriminated against. It resulted in police forces officially policing by skin colour, coming down hard on whites, and being lenient if you were an ethnic minority. Judges tried to change the law in order to give harsher sentences to white people. Criminals, grooming gangs, mass killers and terrorists weren't tackled due to fear of being labelled racist.

And now we have an incident where a young kid, who has told the police he's been stabbed and is dying, who is drowning in his own blood, is handcuffed because the murderer has played the race card.

People should be angry.

Don't sit there on your high horse pretending what you have done is "social justice", and kind, and right.

Turns out the "no border" and "refugees welcome" brigade, don't actually like refugees.
Funny that
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There's a lot here, and fair enough if that's your view, but I think you're pulling a number of separate issues into one argument.

Can I clarify whether you're saying that BLM itself called for an end to equality and social cohesion? Because its stated aims were the opposite: reducing racial inequality and improving outcomes for Black communities, from a viewpoint they have net-negative outcomes. Many disagreed with its methods, some of its activists, and some of the rhetoric used around it, but that's different from saying its objective was to destroy equality. We also should be cautious of attributing the views of a group to specific individuals who associate it.

You say that BLM told Black people they were oppressed when they weren't, as if they were informing them of an oppression they knew nothing about. Many Black people, especially in America, would & will tell you that discrimination is not something they were "told" about by BLM, but something they have personally experienced. You can disagree about the scale of the problem, but it's not an invention. Large numbers of Black Americans believe race has affected their life chances, whether you believe it on their behalf or not.

Re; White people being told, by BLM, they were oppressors. There is a distinction between accusing an individual (you) of being racist and oppressive, and discussing systemic advantages & disadvantages that exist in society. Many rejected the latter & broader point, because they took offence & heard it as a personal accusation against them. The central argument of BLM was that societal structures disadvantage African Americans. Some went much further than that, but those voices shouldn't automatically be treated as representatives of every supporter of the movement - in the same way SYL doesn't represent everyone with a view on immigration.

I don't think white boycotts are appropriate, and while I disagree BLM asked "us" to re-write history at large, they made a point that many idolised historical figures had their ties to slavery whitewashed or put to one side - and asked society to clarify & face this.

"It resulted in police forces officially policing by skin colour, coming down hard on whites, and being lenient if you were an ethnic minority. Judges tried to change the law in order to give harsher sentences to white people. Criminals, grooming gangs, mass killers and terrorists weren't tackled due to fear of being labelled racist."

^^^ This is so frustrating to debate, because it has conjecture, false association, unsubstantiated opinions positioned as facts, and things like the grooming gang scandal - which pre-dated BLM by years & years, being positioned as a consequence / result of BLM. It's also taking small sample size events across different countries and extrapolating them into a social phenomenon. We could go through each one of these as a highly detailed and complex issue, but instead they're lumped into a collective & emotive package and meant to be accepted as fact.

Moving onto Harry; I think, inspite of everything I've said above, that it's possible & probable you're right a race factor has come into it. That said, the judge on the case has outlined why in his view it isn't the case - on balance I disagree with him, but who really knows the truth of it? What I don't want to do, is take the event, draw a conclusion with 100% conviction, and use it for confirmation bias. There are multiple recent high profile incidents of police dealing with foreign nationals in a way which completely strips away your point about treating minorities favourably - for instance, Manchester Airport and the police stamping on heads, or, the kicking in the head of the asian attacking jews earlier this year.

....I don't know why you think I am on a high-horse, your post is as emotive and provocative as mine, but I think you're sharing your view. Then again, putting "The left" as being on a perceived high-horse is a common play by many who despise social justice. Always has been.

And then saying that people evidently don't "like" refugees, because Reform have proposed putting detention centers in white communities that vote for their political opponents...I don't recall anyone saying they would vote Green and would be against having detention centers in their community, rather, they are against detention centers per-se, and more pertently, noticing Reform threaten societies that don't vote for them and being appalled it is part of democracy in the UK '26.
 
The reaction to this (rioting, smashing innocent peoples cars up etc) is way over the top - just as it was after George Floyd was killed - but you can understand people's anger and frustration.

The cops were clearly misled and lied to by the killer and his family, which was the main cause of the initial confusion. However, serious and worrying mistakes were made by the police at the scene, and to brush off Henry's repeated cries of "I've been stabbed" with "I don't think you have, mate" was just horrific.

Hopefully the killer's mother will do jail time for helping hide the weapon, but she'll probably just receive a suspended sentence 😡
 
GravesendLad said:
I have been on the wrong end of police brutality .. that another story..

But to cuff the lad whilst on his front and to just lift the t-shirt up a bit on his back, then basically determine that hes not been stabbed in that area of his body.. and then call him a liar was disgusting..
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To correct that slightly the dismissal was after he said he'd been stabbed "Where have you been stabbed? Don't think you have mate." He then went on to cuff him, then did a pathetic check, before reading him his rights. Then the female copper calls in for an ambulance and realises his pupils aren't reacting.

Another thing that should have set an alarm bell for them though was on arrival someone has said "We kept propping him up but he keeps falling over". Be interesting to find out if the dispatch had said the 'offender' was drunk as they had said on the phone he was drunk. So did the copper just think the lad was drunk and leave it at that?
 
Bob Fleming said:
To correct that slightly the dismissal was after he said he'd been stabbed "Where have you been stabbed? Don't think you have mate." He then went on to cuff him, then did a pathetic check, before reading him his rights. Then the female copper calls in for an ambulance and realises his pupils aren't reacting.

Another thing that should have set an alarm bell for them though was on arrival someone has said "We kept propping him up but he keeps falling over". Be interesting to find out if the dispatch had said the 'offender' was drunk as they had said on the phone he was drunk. So did the copper just think the lad was drunk and leave it at that?
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Ive not, as we all haven't seen the whole walk up footage..

He didn't deserve that treatment from the police from the footage I have..
 
Hongkongphooey said:
They do the assessment at the scene, it's in the document, that's before they carry out the 10 second triage. Simply no excuse for the sheer incompetence of the police who attended. It isn't racism imo, it's ineptitude and failing to prioritise the victim.
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I'd have to agree Phooey. Im just saying that it's obvious the factors that have played into the fuck up. They've took a call from an alleged victim and they have arrived at the scene with that belief from the off. As I keep saying they'll not have encountered many, if any situations before where a piece of shit perpetrator of a stabbing is stood about waiting for them to continue with a false allegation against a dying victim. On your last point they are prioritising the victim. Unfortunately the useless knackers have identified the wrong person as the victim, thanks partly to the scumbag and his family.
 
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Hongkongphooey said:
This is the 10 second triage chart for the police/first responder at an incident
Looking at the body cam footage, it went out the window
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Just fyi. That 10 second triage tool wouldn't be used in incidents such as this. It's a very specific tool used for when major incidents are called.

Take the Manchester bombing for example. This tool would be used as a quick triage tool to determine injuries, slap a coloured cuff on them and then move on to the next person so that ambulance can quickly see who is most in need.

It would never be used in an incident such as this. So you wouldn't have seen it on the BWV. It not taught to be used in such situations.

Apologies I've not read the whole thread so don't know if this has already been covered
 
mackem1989 said:
He didn’t check mows lad that’s the issue here, hope this isn’t overshadowed by all the shit being posted.

Threads been derailed by political bullshit as normal. I see too
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Didn't they lift his shirt when looking (half arsed) ? Theyve ballsed up and not assessed whats in front of them, instesd being steeted by the original call and allegation.

You know me marra, no love for the police and seen first hand how they can be bassas. As you are well aware yourself.

But some, who have been defending the police recently saying they face two tier courts are now suddenly claiming two tier policing. Obvious agenda instead of just saying it was incompetence. Which we've seen before.
Pickle Rick said:
Just fyi. That 10 second triage tool wouldn't be used in incidents such as this. It's a very specific tool used for when major incidents are called.

Take the Manchester bombing for example. This tool would be used as a quick triage tool to determine injuries, slap a coloured cuff on them and then move on to the next person so that ambulance can quickly see who is most in need.

It would never be used in an incident such as this. So you wouldn't have seen it on the BWV. It not taught to be used in such situations.

Apologies I've not read the whole thread so don't know if this has already been covered
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Very useful and informative post. Thank you.
bomber said:
For starters there's at least two that push the burning wheelie bin towards the coppers.
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There were bins, bottles, bricks etc flying about.

Notice little Tommys fan is wandering about adding laughing emojis all over the thread, it's cute.
GravesendLad said:
Listen marra, I don't have a great relationship with old bill.. I agree, I'll give it bad and good in all aspects of life, but to cuff that young lad with hands behind the back suggesting he is a liar about being stabbed.. Nah..
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Yep, that bit is grim.
Bob Fleming said:
You had a bang on the head lad?
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:lol: probably from a bin or cone
shadowplay said:
Farage after Sarah Everard's murder, by contrast.

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Tbf whilst he's a vile weasil he's not really attacking the police, he's using them and the tragedy to have a veiled attack on the government.
 
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dangermows said:
But some, who have been defending the police recently saying they face two tier courts are now suddenly claiming two tier policing. Obvious agenda instead of just saying it was incompetence. Which we've seen before.
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Surely, though, their argument is that the two tiers are: non-white = treated leniently and white = treated badly. You or I may not agree with that view, but I'd suggest that their views on the two matters aren't, in themselves, inconsistent.
 
Kevin Arnott's right boot said:
Surely, though, their argument is that the two tiers are: non-white = treated leniently and white = treated badly. You or I may not agree with that view, but I'd suggest that their views on the two matters aren't, in themselves, inconsistent.
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Well they are because if the police are two tier then they'd not have been hoying digs into the Asian lads, booting one in the head and trying to get them jailed in the airport incident. Also as a lesser point. In that discussion it was said under no circumstances is it ever acceptable to fight with police. Fast forward to y'days happenings and suddenly it's not so.

It's tripe what people come out with. The courts are two tier because two jury's didn't find one Asian fella guilty of assaulting a male police officer (ignoring the fact they did find them guilty of attacking the female police officers). We even had people suggesting Starmer intervened (having forgot to for the guilty verdicts against the female officers).

It's pure political tribalism.
 
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squavers said:
The reaction to this (rioting, smashing innocent peoples cars up etc) is way over the top - just as it was after George Floyd was killed - but you can understand people's anger and frustration.

The cops were clearly misled and lied to by the killer and his family, which was the main cause of the initial confusion. However, serious and worrying mistakes were made by the police at the scene, and to brush off Henry's repeated cries of "I've been stabbed" with "I don't think you have, mate" was just horrific.

Hopefully the killer's mother will do jail time for helping hide the weapon, but she'll probably just receive a suspended sentence 😡
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It's still pretty low level stuff compared to Notting Hill Carnival. Your guaranteed numerous stabbings, sexual assaults and lots of injured police officers but it's still allowed to go ahead every year and nobody bats an eyelid.
 
tunstallhill said:
Not very pleasing to see how many millions of people in the UK are thick as fuck for falling for this shite

They were supporting an anti-racism movement
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They were kneeling in support of BLM, a discredited and widely-criticised organisation who were more anti-white than anti-racism. Their main aim was to create division, the bigger the division the more money they made, and the more money they made the bigger the mansion they could buy.

So we had the PM and deputy PM of a capitalist country showing support for a movement which wanted to abolish capitalism.

We had the police kneeling in support for a movement that wanted to defund the police.

And we had multi-millionaire footballers taking the knee at the start of every single game they played for months on end, to show support for a movement that wanted to destroy the very system (capitalism) that had made them multi-millionaires.

Perhaps it's the people like yourself who can't see the staggering and hilarious irony here who are 'thick as fuck'?
 
dangermows said:
Well they are because if the police are two tier then they'd not have been hoying digs into the Asian lads, booting one in the head and trying to get them jailed in the airport incident. Also as a lesser point. In that discussion it was said under no circumstances is it ever acceptable to fight with police. Fast forward to y'days happenings and suddenly it's not so.

It's tripe what people come out with. The courts are two tier because two jury's didn't find one Asian fella guilty of assaulting a male police officer (ignoring the fact they did find them guilty of attacking the female police officers). We even had people suggesting Starmer intervened (having forgot to for the guilty verdicts against the female officers).

It's pure political tribalism.
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Fair do's. In my defence, that wasn't the argument that I was responding to.
 
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