University student stabbed

[Shambo]

Aye pal sat here just waiting for Farage to drop the media statement before I post

all just another gigantic coincidence I guess then.....

 

[Red]

Totally agree yet every time such threads appear they end up a stoush between reform deplorables and decent people
My posting history will attest to the fact I deplore violence, racism and hate speech

Yet your post was the second on the thread.

 

[HABA87]

Why didn’t the family get arrested and charged.
The brother lied on the phone and when police turned up. The father had Henry pinned up against the wall and the mother hid the murder weapon.

The mother is awaiting sentencing for assisting an offender.

No idea on the other two, guess the threshold for a charge wasn't met.

 

[Ruleigan]

Will Starmer come out with a strong response to it? He should go in hard on Farage here.
But suspect it will be a weak as piss response.

He didn't want to come out with any response at all. While normal folk have known the potential for this to be politically explosive for months if Farage and co were allowed to control the narrative, which of course they have been. Lindsay Hoyle had to force him.

 

[EiffelTower]

Was the brother duped by the mother and son? Only reason I can think of for no charges to be brought but seems highly unlikely

 

[Frijj]

all just another gigantic coincidence I guess then.....

In this instance, yes it actually is

Honestly the utter drivel posted by you lot about me

 

[tunstallhill]

Will Starmer come out with a strong response to it? He should go in hard on Farage here.
But suspect it will be a weak as piss response.

What ever he does doesn't matter. The algorithms will decide he's a disgrace either way and everyone will fall in line

The Sikh bloke is an evil twat
His family aren't much better
The coppers fucked up massively
Farage is jumping on it to rile people up
Anyone with an ounce of pity for the police are branded as part of the problem
No one seems to be able to articulate what they actually want to be achieved here other than shout and scream into the void
What a mess.

Are we going to see Sihks become demonised now? What type of rage does Farage want ? How long before we see new recruits into the police force drop to zero ?

 

[Super Mario]

Contrary to what you claimed earlier in the thread, nobody was shouting, and it was quite a calm scene.

Nobody is saying that we should "ring an ambulance every time someone says they have been stabbed or can't breathe", but at the very least they should check - apparently his stab wounds were so bad that no intervention would have saved him. If they were that bad, even a quick look would have proved he had been stabbed, but no. All he got was "I don't think you have, mate."

The video shows them looking under his clothes to see if he's been stabbed, it shows exactly what you have said

 

[JJH]

The mother is awaiting sentencing for assisting an offender.

No idea on the other two, guess the threshold for a charge wasn't met.

Be interesting to see what threshold that was .

 

[Jon Dough]

Was the brother duped by the mother and son? Only reason I can think of for no charges to be brought but seems highly unlikely

The brother was the one recorded telling him to claim it was self defence,that’s not duped that’s complicit.

 

[tunstallhill]

The mother is awaiting sentencing for assisting an offender.

No idea on the other two, guess the threshold for a charge wasn't met.

Hopefully they come down hard on her. I can imagine that it's a mother's instinct to protect her child but her actions have contributed to his death. If she hadnt taken the knife away from the scene the police may have acted different on arrival

 

[EiffelTower]

The brother was the one recorded telling him to claim it was self defence,that’s not duped that’s complicit.

Didn't realise that, seems even more bizzare then

 

[JJH]

Interesting point about carrying a knife for religious beliefs

You must be logged on to see media items

 

[Shambo]

In this instance, yes it actually is

Sure

 

[HABA87]

Be interesting to see what threshold that was .

It'll be the same framework that the CPS use across the board.

That's assuming that the brother (as a minimum) was actually arrested. I'd have to watch what the father was doing again when I get the chance.

In the case of the brother though he could have just said he made the call based on what this brother (the murderer) told him. How do you prove otherwise beyond reasonable doubt? Again, assuming there's an absence of things like text messages etc.

 

[bomber]

How long before we see new recruits into the police force drop to zero ?

Not long.

 

[HABA87]

The brother was the one recorded telling him to claim it was self defence,that’s not duped that’s complicit.

I missed this bit. Seems odd there wasn't a charge.

 

[JonnotheMackem]

The video shows them looking under his clothes to see if he's been stabbed, it shows exactly what you have said

The video shows him saying he's been stabbed three times and dismissed before the policeman checked. That's the problem.

 

[Feed the Monster]

Saw the footage on the news this morning. A very distressing watch.

I don’t think I could have spoken as well and as calmly as Mr Nowak if that had been my son. Just unfathomable.

 

[tunstallhill]

The video shows him saying he's been stabbed three times and dismissed before the policeman checked. That's the problem.

i'm not trying to excuse the copper, and it may sound like i'm defending him here, but do police not hear that type of thing every day? which clouds their judgement?

i.e they turn up to a crime scene and the person who has been causing the trouble all of a sudden starts acting like the victim? in that split second, they obviously believed the family who had asked for them to come and made the initial allegation. maybe they thought 'aye we've seen this before, the trouble maker acts like he's been attacked' ... and they got it completely wrong

like i say, what a total mess and the police officers have pretty much ruined their own lives, or careers at least, with that split second bad judgement call.