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University student stabbed


pavarotti1980 said:
Post links to say there was
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You post yours first, I asked first.
It was you pompously saying I didn't know what I was talking about. When what I actually said was there was a stab wound to his face. That is well documented so how I don't know what I'm talking about is in your head only.
You then googled up some evidence that no blood would show from the facial stabbing. So post links that shows what you said is correct. It can't be that difficult you must have read it somewhere in one of the reports of this case.
 
John Steed said:
You post yours first, I asked first.
It was you pompously saying I didn't know what I was talking about. When what I actually said was there was a stab wound to his face. That is well documented so how I don't know what I'm talking about is in your head only.
You then googled up some evidence that no blood would show from the facial stabbing. So post links that shows what you said is correct. It can't be that difficult you must have read it somewhere in one of the reports of this case.
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I didnt google anything. It was from a document at work on the use of TXA in bleeds and it was referencing a clinical study on haemorrhagic shock
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"The body compensates for volume loss by increasing heart rate and contractility, followed by baroreceptor activation resulting in sympathetic nervous system activation and peripheral vasoconstriction."
 
pavarotti1980 said:
I didnt google anything. It was from a document at work on the use of TXA in bleeds and it was referencing a clinical study on haemorrhagic shock
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"The body compensates for volume loss by increasing heart rate and contractility, followed by baroreceptor activation resulting in sympathetic nervous system activation and peripheral vasoconstriction."
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McDonalds have those documents?
 
tunstallhill said:
no one is defending the police insofar as that no one is saying that they are without fault

everyone has agreed, given the available public evidence, that they fucked up

just some people want to attribute that fuck up to them being reverse racists. and some people want to attribute that fuck up to them entering a highly complex and moving target of a crime scene and making the wrong critical judgement calls in the heat of the moment.

hopefully the investigation gets to the bottom of it
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I think you are missing the key point that the actual victim told them he’d been stabbed and they said ‘I don’t think so mate’ and left him bleeding for some time. They’ve not been explicit on the actual length of time yet but I’d imagine they are being vague as the actual amount of time will make them look even worse.

They turned up to a scene and took a side immediately. They wouldn’t have cuffed him if they hadn’t.
 
Pop said:
I think you are missing the key point that the actual victim told them he’d been stabbed and they said ‘I don’t think so mate’ and left him bleeding for some time. They’ve not been explicit on the actual length of time yet but I’d imagine they are being vague as the actual amount of time will make them look even worse.

They turned up to a scene and took a side immediately. They wouldn’t have cuffed him if they hadn’t.
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True. I think they've "took the side" of the person who was ringing 999 and asking for them to come .
 
johnlights said:
No.
Why would I ?
I recognise a bluffer when I see one
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Do you? And that is based on what exactly? Is it my masters degree in pharmacy? Post grad diploma? Independent Prescriber Qualification? Just interested which bit is a buffer 🤷‍♂️

Obviously compared to the intellectual might of yourself who knows
 
pavarotti1980 said:
Do you? And that is based on what exactly? Is it my masters degree in pharmacy? Post grad diploma? Independent Prescriber Qualification? Just interested which bit is a buffer 🤷‍♂️

Obviously compared to the intellectual might of yourself who knows
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And a son in the Czech Republic?
And BTW, postgraduate...me too.
 
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Somehow this Henry lad was injured badly enough that the police were unable to save his life anyways, but not injured badly enough that his injuries were visible or that they believed him when he claimed he was seriously wounded.

How does that happen? Did he really appear uninjured?
 
Frijj said:
Somehow this Henry lad was injured badly enough that the police were unable to save his life anyways, but not injured badly enough that his injuries were visible or that they believed him when he claimed he was seriously wounded.

How does that happen? Did he really appear uninjured?
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It seems a bit of a stretch to suggest the police saw a man bleeding to death and handcuffed him no?
 
Super Mario said:
It seems a bit of a stretch to suggest the police saw a man bleeding to death and handcuffed him no?
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Honestly? Nothing would surprise me when it comes to certain officers.

Would it also be a bit of a stretch to imagine that they would fabricate evidence leading to life sentences for innocent men just because they happen to be Irish? Or blaming innocent football supporters for their own deaths, or assaulting striking miners then arresting them for the assaults? Or to fail to properly investigate the murder of an innocent lad in Eltham just because he was black?

Coppers have a difficult job, and I wouldn't want to do it, but there are numerous cases of police officers, both individually and collectively, having pre-conceived ideas about people. Just as there are examples of officers embellishing evidence and statements, or lying or undertaking a cover up, in order to try to get an easy conviction.

Anyone who travelled to away games in the 70s and 80s will, I'm sure, have their own stories about police "impartiality".
 
Kevin Arnott's right boot said:
Honestly? Nothing would surprise me when it comes to certain officers.

Would it also be a bit of a stretch to imagine that they would fabricate evidence leading to life sentences for innocent men just because they happen to be Irish? Or blaming innocent football supporters for their own deaths, or assaulting striking miners then arresting them for the assaults? Or to fail to properly investigate the murder of an innocent lad in Eltham just because he was black?

Coppers have a difficult job, and I wouldn't want to do it, but there are numerous cases of police officers, both individually and collectively, having pre-conceived ideas about people. Just as there are examples of officers embellishing evidence and statements, or lying or undertaking a cover up, in order to try to get an easy conviction.

Anyone who travelled to away games in the 70s and 80s will, I'm sure, have their own stories about police "impartiality".
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You're talking about high level corruption there or racism, not a police officer handcuffing someone then performing CPR minutes later.

If the police are called to my house by my wife if she's accusing me of assaulting her with a hammer, they would likely handcuff me it wouldn't mean I'd done anything but they'd still handcuff me initially
 
Super Mario said:
.If the police are called to my house by my wife if she's accusing me of assaulting her with a hammer, they would likely handcuff me it wouldn't mean I'd done anything but they'd still handcuff me initially
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That’s a weapon being used,the hammer,if your on the floor and she is standing over you I am certain they wouldn’t cuff you straight away then assess the situation?
 
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