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Southampton spying compendium thread

Petesafc said:
Agree but I have a feeling a fine or a deferred points deduction, next time in Championship, will be the outcome
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I honestly had no idea but after reading that article posted earlier I'm actually more leaning to expulsion.

I hadn't realised that there were so many facets to it actually laid out in the regulations.

The two extra bits I'd not considered were:

Must be proportionate to the offence and to the others not cheating and the sanction must be in line with the format of the competition.

The possible outcome of cheating is promotion to the premiership and hundreds of millions.

The competition format is a knock out, so a points deduction is not in any way relevant and wouldn't be a deterrent.

The only logical sanction due to the prize and the format is expulsion, anything else would tacitly allow cheating in the future.
 

Fleagle said:
In the spirit of the clarity you mentioned in the second half of your post I’d say they don’t have the power. They can ask. And league rules would sanction non-compliance. But they don’t have RIPA powers to compel.
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It's nothing to do with RIPA mate, as you rightly say that's a statutory power and the EFL can't exercise it under RIPA. However, it's a contractual right set out in EFL Regs which are a contract between clubs and the EFL. Under this, the EFL can demand a club, player or 'official' (basically, club staff) to produce documents and info.
 
Mackemansj1 said:
For all we know they did?. If it’s not within the 72 hours of the game or the clubs it happened too won or they didn’t have enough evidence . Who know what the efl have on them etc. The huge up turn of their form looks well iffy now though.
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Does it fuck
They have a superb championship squad ran by a clown will still at the start of the season
 
Safc1987 said:
This makes me laugh
Why are all these Clubs conveniently coming out with ‘evidence’ now
Surely they report it at the time
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I don’t think they necessarily caught the the guy at the time. They’ve probably either checked CCTV footage in the last week or maybe he bought coffee (looks like more of a hot chocolate kind of guy) in their canteens too?
 
Diallo said:
Agree with this

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I disagree. The integrity of the play off semi final has been called into question as a direct result of Southampton cheating.

It’s an incredibly dangerous precedent to base the punishment on how effective the cheating is. As per the rules Boro have not been given a fair attempt at the semi finals.

Don’t get me wrong Boro would be very lucky to make the final as without that bloke spying chances are boro don’t make the final. But that’s the point, we don’t and never will know for sure how it would have gone without the cheating.
 
oriss said:
We made the complaint before the first match, so there was no clutching at straws with regards to the result of the games. they broke established rules ? that is the issue here not the result of two games.
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Okay, I've seen the responses to my earlier post and do get what people are saying. If you made the complaint about spying before the first game then apologies.

I do admit I'm playing catch-up here as I was away on holiday over the two legs. It came across as some random rocks up at a training session with his phone when I picked up on the story after the fact.

So was it a random or a member of Southampton's staff. Was it a few photos or did they try to record a substantial portion of Boro training?
 
Safc1987 said:
Does it fuck
They have a superb championship squad ran by a clown will still at the start of the season
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Who were sitting in the bottom four? I think when he came in he now has a better win ratio than most managers in world football 😂 other teams rumoured to have supplied boro with info with regards spying etc but aye just down to a first time manager taking over 🙈
Turnip from the Tip said:
I don’t think they necessarily caught the the guy at the time. They’ve probably either checked CCTV footage in the last week or maybe he bought coffee (looks like more of a hot chocolate kind of guy) in their canteens too?
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They’ll obviously keep all the cctv footage as you say they’ll have went back and checked against up coming games and looked for a bloke like the one caught at boro. Doesn’t take Sherlock to put it together 🙈
 
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Cyprus said:
It won't be helping Hull with tactical planning when you're not even sure who they'll be playing.
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I’ve been saying this a while now. It’s starting to put Hull at a disadvantage now. Southampton and Boro just need to plan for one opponent. Hull have to plan for two. That’s not fair on Hull and if they lose the game, whoever they play, I think they have a case to complain as they were put at a tactical disadvantage.

I hope Hull win whoever they play.
 
Not so sure hull will be doing much tactical work just yet. Clubs tend to do that work around 72 hours before the game (hence the rule which was developed in conjunction with clubs). but the time is counting down and the uncertainty isn’t helpful.
 
Roker SOL said:
For time immemorium club scouts have watched rival teams, either to check out a potential signing or to see what a future opponent is up to.

Boro lose, make use of fact to clutch at straws. So the scout got careless and was easily identified.

This is farce.

This will be chucked out with at most a mild telling off for Southampton.

Yawn.

We had a stronger case kicked out over Jimmy Hill and the scoreboard in 1977.

Next, the dinosaurs appeal that the Chixilahub meteor was actually offside and they shouldn't have been made extinct.
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I don’t agree
Rammstein said:
And did what with the info he got?

No-one does a 600 mile round trip for nothing, arriving by coincidence at a training session of a club his team are about to play, and which he had no right to be anywhere near.

Or is Mr. Salt just the footballing version of a train spotter?
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Im just saying what I think the Southampton defence might have within it.
 
No way this will be sorted in time. They take ages to do anything then if they expel them, they'll have a right of appeal which will take ages again. I think a massive fine and/or points deduction if they don't go up or next time they are in the EFL will be the outcome.
 
Let’s just say Southampton are kicked out and that their players had no knowledge of this spying. Would there be a case for their own players to put a claim in against their club as this will impact on them as well as it would be their own club who have perhaps taken their opportunity to get into the premier league taken away from them.
 
Flea Market Trader said:
Let’s just say Southampton are kicked out and that their players had no knowledge of this spying. Would there be a case for their own players to put a claim in against their club as this will impact on them as well as it would be their own club who have perhaps taken their opportunity to get into the premier league taken away from them.
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No.
 
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