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Retirement

Seems like a good thing todo but in reality how much do you put away, the more you have the more they want.
If you got nowt you more than likely end up in room next door to person paying thousands per week for same care.
Make sure your family looked after and enjoy your money while you are fit and able.
100% this. As I said the other day most people wont have anywhere near enough money in their pot to allocate anything to future care anyway. Some lasses where I worked were retiring with about £70k in their pots, that wouldn't even get them a year in some places.
 

It always feels like a bollocksy statement to me. A bit like ‘sounds like he has too much time on his hands’. Said to pour scorn on something someone else is doing while saying nowt and making no point at all.

I tend to find that sort of thing is said by people whove never thought about retirement, and trying to justify their own mistakes.
 
It always feels like a bollocksy statement to me. A bit like ‘sounds like he has too much time on his hands’. Said to pour scorn on something someone else is doing while saying nowt and making no point at all.
Like all phrases there's some logic in most of them
Live for today and stuff . All the great thinkers push the live in the moment type stuff
Its hardly pouring scorn
You seem to be taking it personally .
Everyone does their thing . Yours works for you
I tend to find that sort of thing is said by people whove never thought about retirement, and trying to justify their own mistakes.
I mentioned earlier ,lots of people just relate it to being old
Lots of people earn basic wages build up small pensions slowly then get a letter once a year saying you'll get £200 a month in 30 years time and its a grim read . If you're planning and saving etc youre verg fortunate .
Theres some people who'll never have any savings due to their lifestyles etc but most are just working ,living and trying to save a bit for rainy days .
 
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Only about 10% end up in care anyway. Then because its means tested, itll cost you loads if you have assets. Then if you end up in care, typically its not for long as youre at the end of your life. Personally id rather have enjoyed an early retirement & family sorted than worrying about than having care home thats a bit posher that im not really going feel the benefit of
I'd agree with this. However one thing I'd probably think about is where you live in the years before that. So many people leave it too late to downsize or find somewhere suitable for an old person to live in, and end up staying in a house that is unfit for an old person to live in. That can even then lead to increasing the need for a care home or bringing that age forward.
 
Seems like a good thing todo but in reality how much do you put away, the more you have the more they want.
If you got nowt you more than likely end up in room next door to person paying thousands per week for same care.
Make sure your family looked after and enjoy your money while you are fit and able.
My MiL was minted and ended up in what looked like a great care home. She made friends there but something felt off, then we noticed some of the clothes she was wearing weren't her own and other people were wearing her clothes. It turned out staff were doing the laundry and if they couldn't remember which clothes belonged to which person they were just guessing and handing them out. The place had an outbreak of Legionaires disease which was covered up and all the residents were moved to different care homes and it never reopened. My MiL lasted two weeks in the new home but cut off from the friends she'd made and confused she just gave up on life and died. But not before the care homes had all her cash.
I'd agree with this. However one thing I'd probably think about is where you live in the years before that. So many people leave it too late to downsize or find somewhere suitable for an old person to live in, and end up staying in a house that is unfit for an old person to live in. That can even then lead to increasing the need for a care home or bringing that age forward.
That'll be me. I'm still thinking of ways to future proof my outgoings, more solar panels, EV and getting a charger fitted, heat pumps although that will never happen after reading too many reports on how inefficient they are. And I know I'll be selling up and moving back up north once it's all done so I'll never get the benefit.
 
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My MiL was minted and ended up in what looked like a great care home. She made friends there but something felt off, then we noticed some of the clothes she was wearing weren't her own and other people were wearing her clothes. It turned out staff were doing the laundry and if they couldn't remember which clothes belonged to which person they were just guessing and handing them out. The place had an outbreak of Legionaires disease which was covered up and all the residents were moved to different care homes and it never reopened. My MiL lasted two weeks in the new home but cut off from the friends she'd made and confused she just gave up on life and died. But not before the care homes had all her cash.
We've had a few of our family old folks in care homes in recent years. The standards are a bit variable and things like clothes getting mixed up, rooms not being cleaned or tidied properly, medical care being hit and miss, seem to happen most places. In their defence they are stretched and often understaffed, and struggling to keep on top of things, despite the astronomical costs. Often needs a family member going in regularly to keep on top of things to make sure your loved one gets everything they need to the right standard. I wouldn't call it neglect (in most cases), but it is definitely frustrating to see.
 
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It always feels like a bollocksy statement to me. A bit like ‘sounds like he has too much time on his hands’. Said to pour scorn on something someone else is doing while saying nowt and making no point at all.
Touchy type of person then. Maybe a bit sensitive. Look too deep at things and maybe a bit paranoid. Anti-depressants ?
 
Like all phrases there's some logic in most of them
Live for today and stuff . All the great thinkers push the live in the moment type stuff
Its hardly pouring scorn
You seem to be taking it personally .
Everyone does their thing . Yours works for you

I mentioned earlier ,lots of people just relate it to being old
Lots of people earn basic wages build up small pensions slowly then get a letter once a year saying you'll get £200 a month in 30 years time and its a grim read . If you're planning and saving etc youre verg fortunate .
Theres some people who'll never have any savings due to their lifestyles etc but most are just working ,living and trying to save a bit for rainy days .

The people im referring to are quite well off & can afford to save, but say future planning is wasting your life, when it just isnt
 
Don't want to drag this thread off topic, but this "nicer care home" is something I can't get my head around. From what I saw when my Dad was poorly all the care homes seemed the same, I certainly never saw or heard homes being nicer than others.
Back on topic. IMO unless you have a massive pot I don't think you can have money sort of put away in case you need to go into a care home, I know I haven't. Say you needed 2 years in a care home you'll be looking at around £130k (less your SP) There'll be people retiring who wont even have that in their pot when they pack in.

I'm not convinced you have a great choice, as I said around Chester le Street all the homes seemed much of a muchness. I know of someone who has gone into an "upmarket home" which seemed great at first but now seems just the same standard as every other home and they are paying an absolute fortune :rolleyes:
Care home life is thread on its own.
 
The people im referring to are quite well off & can afford to save, but say future planning is wasting your life, when it just isnt
I replied to your comment about people justifying mistakes and not thinking about retirement . Planning isn't a waste ,over planning is . Its just balance .The phrases are used more generally for people spending too much time thinking about the future rather than the now and they arent necessarily based in money terms . Me and my mates say Get it spent to each other now because we still have that mindset of rain day saving .
 
Removal of proper pensions (for the sole benefit of employers) is one of the great neo-liberal rug pulls that have been imposed on us since the 80s.
Plenty of people who have paid a decent amount into their personal pension plans are going to be shocked and disappointed at what it pays out in retirement.
 
I replied to your comment about people justifying mistakes and not thinking about retirement . Planning isn't a waste ,over planning is . Its just balance .The phrases are used more generally for people spending too much time thinking about the future rather than the now and they arent necessarily based in money terms . Me and my mates say Get it spent to each other now because we still have that mindset of rain day saving .

Im thinking more of people like gilly who has money but zero pension provision & comes on threads like this saying were all wasting our lives away. Yes you can go over board, but many of us on these types of threads are spreadsheet geeks & actually enjoy doing the analysis
 
I'd agree with this. However one thing I'd probably think about is where you live in the years before that. So many people leave it too late to downsize or find somewhere suitable for an old person to live in, and end up staying in a house that is unfit for an old person to live in. That can even then lead to increasing the need for a care home or bringing that age forward.
Exactly this, but some people think it's great to have a huge house as a bit of a status, and that's fine if that's what you want.
Got a friend who has just gone for the massive house last year and he turning 60 soon absolutely no chance he will retire can see him working another 10 years.
Our early retirement plan is going along nicely we choose to downsize in our early 50`s which has helped in both retiring at 55.
Now in a nice bungalow, which will do us unless we choose to downsize again into a coastal apartment or flat, but we freed up money from house and are enjoying it to the max while we can.
 
Removal of proper pensions (for the sole benefit of employers) is one of the great neo-liberal rug pulls that have been imposed on us since the 80s.
Plenty of people who have paid a decent amount into their personal pension plans are going to be shocked and disappointed at what it pays out in retirement.

I take it your referring to DB schemes?
Part of the problem was on the back of the maxwell scandal, theres a lot of trust on the employer. And companies can go bust & take the pension fund with them.

Also back in the 80s, they would've been more affordable for the employer to fund because of lower life expectancies
I'd agree with this. However one thing I'd probably think about is where you live in the years before that. So many people leave it too late to downsize or find somewhere suitable for an old person to live in, and end up staying in a house that is unfit for an old person to live in. That can even then lead to increasing the need for a care home or bringing that age forward.

Think for most people, the nice bungalow will cost more than their 3 bed semi is worth which the lack of bungalows is a problem in itself
 
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Touchy type of person then. Maybe a bit sensitive. Look too deep at things and maybe a bit paranoid. Anti-depressants ?
I don’t mean any of that by the way. I’m just in a mood having once again watched that pen given to Celtic. It would make a saint ( even catholic ) swear.
 
Think for most people, the nice bungalow will cost more than their 3 bed semi is worth which the lack of bungalows is a problem in itself
Perhaps, but there are other options (like apartments). It's a bit of a British obsession to live in a house with your own front door and probably a garden (and to see it as a status symbol). Old (and young) people across Europe, for instance, are happy living in apartments with lifts that require much less maintenance than a bungalow and are a often a far more sensible and manageable option.
 
Perhaps, but there are other options (like apartments). It's a bit of a British obsession to live in a house with your own front door and probably a garden (and to see it as a status symbol). Old (and young) people across Europe, for instance, are happy living in apartments with lifts that require much less maintenance than a bungalow and are an often a far more sensible and manageable option.
No chance I’d move to somewhere without a bit of outdoor space. Even when I’m too old to cut the grass, it doesn’t cost much to get it mowed. Or get the grandkids to do it.
 
Perhaps, but there are other options (like apartments). It's a bit of a British obsession to live in a house with your own front door and probably a garden (and to see it as a status symbol). Old (and young) people across Europe, for instance, are happy living in apartments with lifts that require much less maintenance than a bungalow and are a often a far more sensible and manageable option.

But surely your wanting something without stairs? And theyre very difficult to sell, so its then selling up & paying rent in retirement & relying on unreliable landlords to sort stuff. My grandmother bought a 1st floor retirement flat, and I dont think id want to do it
 
I take it your referring to DB schemes?
Part of the problem was on the back of the maxwell scandal, theres a lot of trust on the employer. And companies can go bust & take the pension fund with them.

Also back in the 80s, they would've been more affordable for the employer to fund because of lower life expectancies

DB pension schemes were great when people paid into them for 40 years, retired at 65 and died at 70. Not quite as affordable for employers now
 
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