jarrowdiamond
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Spygate 2.0
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Southampton spying compendium thread
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Hendon Mad Frog
Winger
It’s nee dodge charger like
Could they be kicked out of the playoffs? Or is it just a fine and a slap on the wrist?
jarrowdiamond
Striker
I doubt it but something needs to be done.
Mr Redknapp
Striker
Matt le tisssier from a hot air balloon with a telescope?
Bit of blurb
Following the 2019 "Spygate" incident involving Leeds United, the EFL introduced specific rules (currently Regulation 127) that prohibit clubs from observing or attempting to observe an opponent's training session within 72 hours of a match. [
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]Potential Penalties
If a club is found in breach of these regulations, a Disciplinary Commission has the power to impose any of the following: [
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]- Fines: In the 2019 Leeds case, the club was fined £200,000.
- Points Deductions: While not used in the 2019 precedent, points deductions are explicitly listed as a potential sanction for misconduct.
- Transfer Embargoes: The commission may impose restrictions on the registration of new players.
- Expulsion: In extreme cases, the league can recommend a club's expulsion from the competition.
- Reprimands or Warnings: Formal warnings regarding future conduct. [, , , , , ]
Regulatory Context
- Regulation 127: Specifically bans observing training sessions within 72 hours of a match unless invited.
- Regulation 3.4: A broader rule requiring all clubs to act towards each other with "utmost good faith." This was the primary rule breached by Leeds in 2019 before the specific spying ban existed. [, , , , ]
Should play both legs at the Riverside as punishment.
I suspect any punishment won't be until after the playoffs.
Local Lad
Winger
No chance. He'd be too afraid of hitting the glass dome
Oli Wagkz
Striker
Read the article.
It's a blatant flouting of a rule.
Only meaningful sanction is expulsion from the play-offs
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ERIMUS1876
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Telegraph Sport ran an article earlier tonight with some staggering details in it about what happened ...
Middlesbrough believe they were the victims of a highly professional surveillance operation after catching a man filming a training session before their play-off semi-final against Southampton.
Telegraph Sport can reveal the full details of the alleged attempt to steal training-ground secrets ahead of Saturday’s crucial match.
The “spy” had professional surveillance equipment, complete with a microphone to record voices and technology to livestream the footage back to someone watching remotely.
A brief physical confrontation ensued when a member of Middlesbrough’s media team challenged the man, who refused to identify himself and then ran off.
The man ran into the clubhouse next to the training ground and changed into new clothes from a hidden holdall.
Middlesbrough have since been told by whistle blowers that this is not the first time a member of Southampton’s analyst team has been sent to record opposition training sessions this season.
CCTV footage has been studied by the club and the alleged perpetrator has been identified. He is said to be an analyst on Southampton’s website and has worked for the club for more than a year, having held similar positions at Premier League clubs.
Middlesbrough have informed the English Football League that they view this as a clear and obvious case of cheating and are seeking the harshest possible punishment. A wide range of action is possible when dealing with cases such as these, including points deductions, fines and potential expulsion from the play-offs.
The Middlesbrough hierarchy are furious after a member of their own media team allegedly spotted the man filming the session, masked by some bushes, on the adjacent golf course attached to Rockcliffe Hotel.
It is claimed the man filming the session had professional filming equipment, complete with a microphone powerful enough to pick up the voice of manager Kim Hellberg and his coaching staff as they issued training instructions.
Southampton have been contacted for comment regarding these new accusations but did not respond.
Boro believe opponents know their starting XI
Given the importance of Saturday’s game and the financial rewards on offer if either club win promotion to the Premier League, Middlesbrough have stressed the seriousness of the situation and the level of potential harm done.
Thursday’s training is the last detailed session before the game and they believe the man was sent to gain the most damaging information which would have included team selection, shape, tactical instructions as well as set-piece routines.
With that in mind, the club feel they are already at a big disadvantage heading into the two-legged tie and they believe their opponents are already aware of their starting XI for the first leg. If they change it, they would not be picking the manager’s first-choice side.
Middlesbrough are awaiting an update from the EFL before deciding their next move but Telegraph Sportunderstands nothing is off the table.
The EFL released a statement on Thursday night saying it had “written to Southampton FC requesting their observations following a complaint from Middlesbrough FC relating to alleged unauthorised filming”.
The statement continued: “The alleged incident is said to have taken place on Middlesbrough’s private property by an individual identified to be associated with Southampton.
“The League is treating this matter as potential misconduct under EFL Regulations and will be making no further comment at this time.”
The deadline for those observations to be returned to the EFL was set at 1pm on Friday but Southampton are accused of missing it.
Middlesbrough suspect their Championship rivals are playing for time and hope to avoid admitting any wrongdoing until after the game on Saturday.
Conversations to be had between clubs’ owners
The EFL has the scope to hand out severe punishments for clubs found guilty of spying on opposition teams after changing the rules in the wake of spying scandal at Leeds United in 2019.
Middlesbrough believe they were the victims of a highly professional surveillance operation after catching a man filming a training session before their play-off semi-final against Southampton.
Telegraph Sport can reveal the full details of the alleged attempt to steal training-ground secrets ahead of Saturday’s crucial match.
The “spy” had professional surveillance equipment, complete with a microphone to record voices and technology to livestream the footage back to someone watching remotely.
A brief physical confrontation ensued when a member of Middlesbrough’s media team challenged the man, who refused to identify himself and then ran off.
The man ran into the clubhouse next to the training ground and changed into new clothes from a hidden holdall.
Middlesbrough have since been told by whistle blowers that this is not the first time a member of Southampton’s analyst team has been sent to record opposition training sessions this season.
CCTV footage has been studied by the club and the alleged perpetrator has been identified. He is said to be an analyst on Southampton’s website and has worked for the club for more than a year, having held similar positions at Premier League clubs.
Middlesbrough have informed the English Football League that they view this as a clear and obvious case of cheating and are seeking the harshest possible punishment. A wide range of action is possible when dealing with cases such as these, including points deductions, fines and potential expulsion from the play-offs.
The Middlesbrough hierarchy are furious after a member of their own media team allegedly spotted the man filming the session, masked by some bushes, on the adjacent golf course attached to Rockcliffe Hotel.
It is claimed the man filming the session had professional filming equipment, complete with a microphone powerful enough to pick up the voice of manager Kim Hellberg and his coaching staff as they issued training instructions.
Southampton have been contacted for comment regarding these new accusations but did not respond.
Boro believe opponents know their starting XI
Given the importance of Saturday’s game and the financial rewards on offer if either club win promotion to the Premier League, Middlesbrough have stressed the seriousness of the situation and the level of potential harm done.
Thursday’s training is the last detailed session before the game and they believe the man was sent to gain the most damaging information which would have included team selection, shape, tactical instructions as well as set-piece routines.
With that in mind, the club feel they are already at a big disadvantage heading into the two-legged tie and they believe their opponents are already aware of their starting XI for the first leg. If they change it, they would not be picking the manager’s first-choice side.
Middlesbrough are awaiting an update from the EFL before deciding their next move but Telegraph Sportunderstands nothing is off the table.
The EFL released a statement on Thursday night saying it had “written to Southampton FC requesting their observations following a complaint from Middlesbrough FC relating to alleged unauthorised filming”.
The statement continued: “The alleged incident is said to have taken place on Middlesbrough’s private property by an individual identified to be associated with Southampton.
“The League is treating this matter as potential misconduct under EFL Regulations and will be making no further comment at this time.”
The deadline for those observations to be returned to the EFL was set at 1pm on Friday but Southampton are accused of missing it.
Middlesbrough suspect their Championship rivals are playing for time and hope to avoid admitting any wrongdoing until after the game on Saturday.
Conversations to be had between clubs’ owners
The EFL has the scope to hand out severe punishments for clubs found guilty of spying on opposition teams after changing the rules in the wake of spying scandal at Leeds United in 2019.
Wearside Wanderer II
Striker
Makes you think…
BoshItLikeBardo
Midfield
Mr Redknapp
Striker
Eden Hazard?
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Mentions bushes but no trees. Do you think trees would have helped??
The soap powder
Striker
I mean this is a no win for the EFL
If they do nothing and Southampton win and get to the final then Boro will be legally all over it
If they do nothing and Southampton win and get to the final then Boro will be legally all over it
I mean whatever happens the guy wont be very poplar
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