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Disallowed goal...

Maravilla said:
Regardless of whether people thought it was a foul or not, it really shouldn't be taking the best part of 5 minutes for them to actually come to a decision. The introduction of VAR has been one of the worst things to have ever happened to the sport.
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I assume they’re trying to be thorough and a lot of it is for those watch on TV. It seems painfully slow when you’re in the ground, mind.

When it comes to awarding goals I ultimately want them to reach the correct decision in the end. If that takes an extra minute or so, then so be it. Last night’s could’ve been done in half the time.
 

Falconhoof said:
The point everyone seems to be missing here is what they played back to the ref.
He was just watching the bit where Nordi cleaned the goalie out over n over. If he was shown it was momentum after playing the ball he wouldnt have disallowed that
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This. He won the ball and his momentum carried him into Sels, but VAR just clipped the last bit.

VAR has replaced real-time human error with slow motion human error. A failed experiment.
 
joecphillips said:
Ok then the alderete penalty, forest player got a touch on the ball, then stands on alderete’s foot

Being consistent that’s a foul as well
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That’s not being consistent though. They were two very different incidents. There were two phases of play for the disallowed goal. 1. Nordi wins the ball 2.Ballards header.

If the goal came directly from Mukiele then I wouldn’t argue it shouldn’t be disallowed. But as the ball goes to Ballard, the keeper try’s to set himself and can’t as his right leg is taken away. The keeper is impeded when the shot comes in.

In the Alderete incident, if the ball dropped immediately back to Alderete and he was in an otherwise good shooting position but then couldn’t shoot because of the contact, then the there may be an argument for a penalty. But that’s not what happened. They won and cleared the ball, and Alderete being trodden on was inconsequential in that one phase of play.
 
Lonz said:
I assume they’re trying to be thorough and a lot of it is for those watch on TV. It seems painfully slow when you’re in the ground, mind.

When it comes to awarding goals I ultimately want them to reach the correct decision in the end. If that takes an extra minute or so, then so be it. Last night’s could’ve been done in half the time.
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It couldn't because both VAR and the ref himself at the monitor were both totally ensure if it was a foul. Clear and obvious? If in doubt stick with the refs decision. We've seem many times for far more blatant fouls than that.

The ref thought long and hard about telling VAR to shove it. He watched the incident about a dozen times. In the end he bottled it. Probably thinking Howard Webb will have my balls and I'll lose matches / money.
 
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Keith S30S said:
It couldn't because both VAR and the ref himself at the monitor were both totally ensure if it was a foul. Clear and obvious? If in doubt stick with the refs decision. We'vr seem itany times.

The ref thought long and hard about telling VAR to shove it. He watched the incident about a dozen times. In the end he bottled it. Probably thinking Howard Webb will have my balls and I'll lose matches / money.
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My rule of thumb is would I want/expect it at the other end. I think it’s probably a foul with my unbiased hat as far away from my head as I can get it.

Not a great deal has happened but the keeper is unfairly impeded and it leads directly to a goal. That’s my opinion on it and agreed, it’s in that grey area.
 
Lonz said:
My rule of thumb is would I want/expect it at the other end. I think it’s probably a foul with my unbiased hat as far away from my head as I can get it.

Not a great deal has happened but the keeper is unfairly impeded and it leads directly to a goal. That’s my opinion on it and agreed, it’s in that grey area.
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So Enzo Le Fee is blatantly pushed over in the box down Bournemouth. Player nowhere near the ball. Not enough to overtun the live decision 😂

Last night very minimal contact after our player actually plays the ball. Over turn it! 🤣
 
Keith S30S said:
So Enzo Le Fee is blatantly pushed over in the box down Bournemouth. Player nowhere near the ball. Not enough to overtun the live decision 😂

Last night very minimal contact after our player actually plays the ball. Over turn it! 🤣
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They absolutely got the Le Fee one wrong. Staggering.
 
James said:
Wasn't a foul like, keeper was already on the way up so had no pressure through the leg that was brushed by NM. Didn't impact his movement at all.

Hate VAR. I know it has been good to us, but I'd gladly see it entirely binned off forever.
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Naaaaaah. Seen to much big club favouritism to want to go back to Fergie time etc. I can’t even begin to imagine how much havoc that Aussie prick ref could cause without VAR restraining him.
I was at Stamford Bridge in the Keane era when their three first half goals shouldn’t have stood. Under VAR they wouldn’t. Sky Sports, Talksport, Radio 5 match reports all said none should’ve been allowed. As did the MOTD lads including Shearer I believe. I bet he was loving it.
 
My thoughts were that it was daft and there's a large element of making it up as they go along. There was another instance of a follow-through fouling someone elsewhere on the pitch; no foul was given because he played the ball.

As to why he didnt give it initially, the replay will have provided more opportunities for him to change his mind.
 
Keith S30S said:
That's because they tend not to overturn contentious (not that Le Fee's was) on field decisions.
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It’s looking like the “clear and obvious” part of the guidance is very flexible. I’m not sure what the solution is really. I think the introduction of VAR is meaning more correct decisions are being made in the end. The whole process could really do with a lot more transparency and refinement though.
 
Dozens of times this season we've heard the phrase, 'it's just a coming together', no foul. Apart from when it's our player just coming together of course.

Like I said a defender or attacker doesn't get the decision. Only a keeper which is fundamentally wrong.
 
Same ref who gave Fulham a free kick that led to their goal when their bench started moaning and waving their arms earlier in the season.
Like rugby you should be able to hear the ref mic so you can understand the decision making process. Its ridiculous fans in the ground being left in the dark for nearly 5 mins. Another example of football taking paying fans for mugs.
 
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