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Tom Burwell - Interim CEO Podcast

The point still stands. Sunderland have a passionate fan base from the city and the surrounding areas.

If we are to become a solid top 10 premier league club or higher we need to grow our revenue

We can either ask the same people who already spend money on Sunderland to spend more, or we can find new people who don't already spend money on Sunderland and persuade them to start spending money.

There is a finite limit to how much you can squeeze more money out of the same set of supporters until it gets to the point where it is unfair. People might not like changes to accomodate new comers or corporate customers, but the alternative is that we all spend more

Which do you want?

I have no problem with us extending corporate facilities and also attracting "tourist" fans too watch us, I don't think either is a bad thing at all, as long as this doesn't impact and drive out our core base of fans. The club needs to serve both groups, and also needs to be aware that if the football side becomes less successful only one of those groups will remain.

If they get too obsessed with the corporate side I can ultimately see that being damaging, especially given our geographical location - we are never going to attract the volume that clubs in London/Manchester/Liverpool/Birmingham can in the same way that we don't attract industry headquarters/head offices to the area.
 

He said they had increased tickets dramatically this season - 17-18%. But I don't feel like i am being squeezed personally. I think my ticket at £660 is well worth it for the view I have the quality of the team. We were too cheap imo.

Interesting he said the average season ticket cost £360. Shows how the concessions pull it down.

It’s a bit disingenuous to use an average including kids prices.
That figure should be adults only.
I dislike the inference that we get to go match cheaper than elsewhere… it’s not true
 
I have no problem with us extending corporate facilities and also attracting "tourist" fans too watch us, I don't think either is a bad thing at all, as long as this doesn't impact and drive out our core base of fans. The club needs to serve both groups, and also needs to be aware that if the football side becomes less successful only one of those groups will remain.

If they get too obsessed with the corporate side I can ultimately see that being damaging, especially given our geographical location - we are never going to attract the volume that clubs in London/Manchester/Liverpool/Birmingham can in the same way that we don't attract industry headquarters/head offices to the area.
Common sense but I honestly don't think many people are on the same page. Very short sighted after 1 decent season in about 25 years.
 
Pretty vomit inducing what the game has become. Wouldn’t be surprised in 20-40 years there’s a massive collapse in it all. As the greed gets bigger, people will eventually turn away from it.
My thoughts exactly. Nauseating.

I couldn’t care less about driving corporate revenue and monetising fandom or whatever other bollocks he discusses. Driving scarcity, growth metrics, price ceilings, perceived value = they will begin squeezing the lemon until the pips come out.

We’ll regret the day David Bruce was moved on. This will be the beginning of the departure from being a community club.

Interesting that the foundation was not mentioned once.

For many, this is a price worth paying for premier league security. Not for me, nothing will ever beat coming back from league 1 the way we did through the playoffs with a young team with academy graduates in an affordable stadium that young or retired folk and normal working people can afford to go to.

Monetising our fan base is a shit short term model, it drives young people away from the stadium replaced by corporate day trippers at the expense of atmosphere and energy.

Concentrate on player recruitment and sales.

At a guess, they are going to fatten the goose for the next couple of years and sell the ‘franchise’ for enormous profit.
 
It’s a bit disingenuous to use an average including kids prices.
That figure should be adults only.
I dislike the inference that we get to go match cheaper than elsewhere… it’s not true
But to the club it makes perfect sense as they will look at the revenue coming in from all seats as an average.
No idea what the average seat brings in at other clubs but I suspect the returns on ours are pretty low in comparison which affects the overall take despite a decent sized stadium already

May well be the club starts to reduce concessions over time/ charges a full price regardless of age in more desirable areas of the ground to maximise revenues
 
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So based on the last few views on here we should be making our own shirts and keeping the club only for lercal people. None of them forriners.
Maybe get Farage on the board too.
I’m surprised anyone gets time to post on here. What with being international business executives and successful club owners.
 
I haven't watched but get the gist - we know if we extend the ground the driving factor will be corporate revenue rather than GA but the North East isn't as affluent as other regions. Therefore we need to attract customers (I say that through gritted teeth) from outside the region and beyond.

Think there's potentially a gap in the market - particularly if we extend the ground - to tap into the foreign tourist market more. The black market is massive, with general tourist fans looking to see a Premier League match whilst in the UK in the same way we might see a Broadway show in New York. Most other clubs are sold out and all remaining GA tickets go to the members ballot, we're in a unique position that we aren't there yet. So they spend hundreds on dodgy reseller sites for tickets that often don't exist - hence the reason for ID checks etc from the Prem, it's a terrible look for them to market itself as the global league but have tourists get scammed and turned away at the gate.

Not suggesting tourists skip the queue over locals but there's an opportunity to offer some kind of package - train ticket from London + entry level hospitality (Founders?). Very few tourists are going to choose Sunderland over the London, Manchester or Liverpool club's but we can offer something they can't - actual genuine tickets. So if we market ourselves properly and seek these people out rather than wait for them to find us there's an opportunity?
We're half way between York and Edinburgh. Two major tourist destinations. I've already met tourists in 76 Yards this season more than happy to take in a PL match while visiting either. Us or the Mags, depending on who's at home while they're around. They'll pay top dollar and top up in the club shop for a likely once in a lifetime thing.
 
We're half way between York and Edinburgh. Two major tourist destinations. I've already met tourists in 76 Yards this season more than happy to take in a PL match while visiting either. Us or the Mags, depending on who's at home while they're around. They'll pay top dollar and top up in the club shop for a likely once in a lifetime thing.
Would they just buy normal tickets if they were available? Selling out in season 1 of an excellent season is one thing. Selling out after a very average season in year 3 isn't the same.

As I said earlier our 2nd (Steve 'I finished 10th' Bruce) potential top half finish in 25 years shows our usual standard. Hopefully we can buck the trend and push on. No guarantees in football though.
 
Would they just buy normal tickets if they were available? Selling out in season 1 of an excellent season is one thing. Selling out after a very average season in year 3 isn't the same.

As I said earlier our 2nd (Steve 'I finished 10th' Bruce) potential top half finish in 25 years shows our usual standard. Hopefully we can buck the trend and push on. No guarantees in football though.
People trade up if it's a special occasion. I even met a couple of Danish lads after a match who'd gone in Banks on the Wear because they might never get the chance again.
 
People trade up if it's a special occasion. I even met a couple of Danish lads after a match who'd gone in Banks on the Wear because they might never get the chance again.
Good but we're on the crest of a wave at the minute. We'll sort of 🙂

We need to think about all scenarios not just successful ones on the pitch.
 
I have no problem with us extending corporate facilities and also attracting "tourist" fans too watch us, I don't think either is a bad thing at all, as long as this doesn't impact and drive out our core base of fans. The club needs to serve both groups, and also needs to be aware that if the football side becomes less successful only one of those groups will remain.

If they get too obsessed with the corporate side I can ultimately see that being damaging, especially given our geographical location - we are never going to attract the volume that clubs in London/Manchester/Liverpool/Birmingham can in the same way that we don't attract industry headquarters/head offices to the area.
This perpetual myth about our location being an issue needs to stop. We’ve got a massive fan base outside of the North East. The trains and roads attest to this on match days. A lot of people from The North East are working and living elsewhere. We also have supporters in other countries whilst not attending on a regular basis contribute through club shop purchases .
 
Get everyone in locally who wants to get in. Rinse the other ones who can’t get it. It’s pretty simple really.

Agree partnerships with airlines and any other pig we can do, line our pockets to look after the local lads and lasses.Just need the infrastructure to do it.
 
I wouldn’t pay for corporate behind the goal I'd want to be on the halfway line. All the corporate is sold out the only ones they have trouble selling are the 76 yards behind the goal in the north stand

I’d pay for an “economy premium” as Burwell put it, in the south stand. If they did go with 2 tiers in an extended south stand, I’d love a Quinn’s style bar in there similar to where the BCB is in the north.

Open early/late enough to show the early/late kick off before/after ours, some street food you can buy, a cash bar with pints in glasses. Stairs would mean you can purchase the add on whether you’re upper or lower tier.
 
We're half way between York and Edinburgh. Two major tourist destinations. I've already met tourists in 76 Yards this season more than happy to take in a PL match while visiting either. Us or the Mags, depending on who's at home while they're around. They'll pay top dollar and top up in the club shop for a likely once in a lifetime thing.
That's a great point. I suppose where I'm coming from is the amount of social media posts I've seen over the past year along the lines of 'I'm coming to London / my boyfriend loves Premier League, is dodgyticketsrus.com legit for tickets?'. The London clubs don't have to do anything to attract these people but we have to work harder than most, I'd love to see us really position ourselves as the go-to for safe, genuine tickets. We'd have to put ourselves out there though and not just rely on them to find us.
 
and folk on here are still advocating that we do nothing in case we don’t keep improving, dear me.
To spell it out, if you stand still in the Premier league you will invariably go backwards.
Hospitality areas can be ( and have been in the past) easily mothballed. The extension and corporate areas will be smartly financed.
Our current board are not the over promoted, under qualified types of previous recent generations. Have a bit of faith in them and the new Sunderland that we live in, stop being negative, micy minnies 🤣
 
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