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Whitburnmakem said:
He’s aloud to turn his head to the side you know and have a quick glance. He could of took it really early to the keepers right whole left side of the goal was wide open and angle favourable he got too close to the keeper and too straight left himself no angle

People gan on like he’s wearing blinkers
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Could of ,should of again
He knew he had two defenders on his heels ,hesitate and you're advantage is gone . If he pulls off to one side earlier the keeper holds back and follows while the defenders run straight making ground up . Another day he may have done what you think is obvious
I'll stick with a professional footballers judgement . Not his or our day on that chance . Similar to Arsenal
 

Whitburnmakem said:
How’s it a decent height if he’s reaches it with one hand ??? While lay down practically
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Well because it’s pretty high. Keeper has had to full stretch. Keeper goes on the floor and it’s in.
Whitburnmakem said:
He’s aloud to turn his head to the side you know and have a quick glance. He could of took it really early to the keepers right whole left side of the goal was wide open and angle favourable he got too close to the keeper and too straight left himself no angle

People gan on like he’s wearing blinkers
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Have you seen how far back Talbi is. He’s 1v1 and only going to be thinking about finishing it 🙄
 
Posters saying he should have hit it earlier, go round the keeper, pass it to talbi, hit it hard and low down the side all go to show it isn’t as easy as some think….all those things running through your mind as you are running through on goal at pace, literally seconds.

Yes he’s a professional but I’ve seen better strikers and finishers than Diarra miss those chances.

Gutting as it was an unbelievable chance but shit happens, roll on Friday and a chance to bounce back
 
Lucky1985 said:
I honestly don’t believe the le Fée pen was worse.

With a penalty a large element of it is what I believe statisticians call ‘game theory’. You have to beat your opponent. The shooter has the advantage as he gets to pick where in the goal he is shooting, and so long as it is on target and not where the keeper chooses, it is a goal.
Most keepers instinctively dive either to the right or left almost all of the time, befor or as the ball is kicked. This means a panenka drifts helplessly over the sprawling keepers legs. Yeah they look cool, but actually it’s not about looking cool, it’s about playing the odds, and provided your chip down the middle doesn’t go over the bar, it is more likeley to score than not. I would guess that standing still as a keeper would result in a penalty save less than 5% of the time, which means a keeper is almost always going to dive.

When a panenka goes wrong though it looks horrendous. If le Fée had blasted a pen to the keepers left and the keeper guessed correctly and tipped it onto the post, then nobody blames le Fée. But where the keeper guessed the panenka, it looks terrible and he gets vilified for it.

In Diarras situation though, sliding the ball to the right of the keeper makes it a 0%game for the keeper. And assuming Talbi doesn’t miss the open goal it’s a certain goal.

Le Fée chose the option that statistically provides the higher goal probability, Diarra chose the option that statistically provides the lowest, in the face of an option that provides an almost certainty of a goal.


I do feel a bit conflicted with though calling Diarra out, because the pile-on on here is ridiculous. I think he played well on the whole, and I like him as a player and I feel he has a lot more to offer us. Whereas I know a lot of people for some obscure reason love to hate a member of our team and have elected him to be our wicker man.

But ultimately, I feel strongly that he made a horrendous choice in that moment, whereas I stand by le fees penalty and feel that it wasn’t horrendous and was just unlucky.
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Honestly man what fuckin drivel, you’re trying to seem all clued up and intelligent but you’ve just typed a load of shit. As if Diarras running through calculating in his head what way of shooting is statistically most or least likely to get him a goal.
 
Over a season these things come and go and the table says it all at the end.

We are currently 11th as I type this, we have enough class in the team to not be at the bottom and not enough class to be at the top.

If someone had said before the season started that if we won away on April 19th we would go sixth, and already beat Newcastle home and away, 99.9999% would have taken that in complete disbelief.
 
one footed wonder said:
Posters saying he should have hit it earlier, go round the keeper, pass it to talbi, hit it hard and low down the side all go to show it isn’t as easy as some think….all those things running through your mind as you are running through on goal at pace, literally seconds.

Yes he’s a professional but I’ve seen better strikers and finishers than Diarra miss those chances.

Gutting as it was an unbelievable chance but shit happens, roll on Friday and a chance to bounce back
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Aye ak Havertz how he feels this morning after the chances he missed yesterday?? Should he be tar n Featherd?? Happens all the time and to the best. The response frome some is truly twisted and disturbed no one will be feeling it more than Diarra. I like him a lot he held his hand up and the reported hysteria is pathetic imo so pleased the majority on match day thread get no where near the ground!!. I would be more concerned about the defending than Diarra.

Those chances come so quick your going toward goal at speed its a battle of nerve n wits win some loose some tha lads not a striker after all. Lots of positives probably the best we played all season going forward but some harsh lessons for the team mixed in. What a season and what potential for the one ahead.
 
sponge said:
Honestly man what fuckin drivel, you’re trying to seem all clued up and intelligent but you’ve just typed a load of shit. As if Diarras running through calculating in his head what way of shooting is statistically most or least likely to get him a goal.
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I mean if a keeper stands still he saves 100% of panenkas. Not 100% of all shots hit straight but definitely 100% of panenkas. Like you say, just a long bit of nonsense really.
 
Have to remember anarl that results went our way so we didn’t lose momentum for Europe as much as people are making out. Missed opportunity aye, but not the end of the world.

Beat Forest on Friday and cross our fingers results go our way again. Roll on Friday 🔴⚪️
 
sponge said:
Honestly man what fuckin drivel, you’re trying to seem all clued up and intelligent but you’ve just typed a load of shit. As if Diarras running through calculating in his head what way of shooting is statistically most or least likely to get him a goal.
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Where did I say he’s going to be calculating statistics?

If you have ever played football before then you know if you’re 1 on 1 with a keeper, and you team mate is off to the side of you, that if you play the team mate in they are left with an empty net. You know that it’s easier to score in an empty net than it is to beat the keeper. Therefore you know that your team mate has the better chance of scoring than you do. If you’ve ever played football then you just know those things. You don’t need to look up the stats for it.

Statistics are very relevant to penalties though because it is such a closed environment with so few variables. I didn’t bring them into the conversation to sound ‘enlightened’ I brought them into the conversation because they are relevant when discussing the le Fée penalty miss. The taker gets a free kick at the goal from a fixed location, there’s no wall to account for, no obfuscation of the keepers view, no change in angle. The taker can choose where he kicks it, and how fast he kicks it. Thats it. The keeper has to guess those two things, if the keeper guessed right then he saves it, if he doesn’t then it’s a goal. Thats why keepers all have crib sheets on the water bottles these days, so that they know how statistically likely a taker is to kick the ball a certain way. And if a taker never goes down the middle then the keeper has a 50/50 chance of guessing the right way.

If anybody’s talking ‘fuckin drivel’ then it’s you for equating the two situations.
 
SuperKevsLeftBoot said:
Well because it’s pretty high. Keeper has had to full stretch. Keeper goes on the floor and it’s in.

Have you seen how far back Talbi is. He’s 1v1 and only going to be thinking about finishing it 🙄
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Slight look to the right talbi is there by the time he goes to chip it
Far Tibetan Mountain said:
No one looks behind him to see who is running in from that position. He has fractions of seconds to make a decision and passing never even enters his mind.
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He does t have to look behind him man he’s practically just off to the side even a slight look to his right would see him he’s not wearing horse racing blinkers ya no
SuperKevsLeftBoot said:
Well because it’s pretty high. Keeper has had to full stretch. Keeper goes on the floor and it’s in.

Have you seen how far back Talbi is. He’s 1v1 and only going to be thinking about finishing it 🙄
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You don’t think he can see talbi there ??? :):):):) He’s not even facing straight forward either. He must have tunnel vision
 
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Whitburnmakem said:
Because it’s a tap in for talbi ! Looking behind he’s in his peripheral vision almost man footballers look around all the time when they on the ball
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That GIF shows he only got it fractionally wrong tbf, fractions.
 
Whitburnmakem said:
Slight look to the right talbi is there by the time he goes to chip it

He does t have to look behind him man he’s practically just off to the side even a slight look to his right would see him he’s not wearing horse racing blinkers ya no

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You don’t think he can see talbi there ??? :):):):) He’s not even facing straight forward either. He must have tunnel vision
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Whitburnmakem said:
Because it’s a tap in for talbi ! Looking behind he’s in his peripheral vision almost man footballers look around all the time when they on the ball
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You seriously think he doesn’t know talbi is there :):):):):)
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Haaland and Kane probably the best striker around usually have half a dozen chances in a game, they don’t score them all, have seen them miss plenty and a lot easier than this chance. And would they have passed absolutely no chance.
 
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Lucky1985 said:
Where did I say he’s going to be calculating statistics?

If you have ever played football before then you know if you’re 1 on 1 with a keeper, and you team mate is off to the side of you, that if you play the team mate in they are left with an empty net. You know that it’s easier to score in an empty net than it is to beat the keeper. Therefore you know that your team mate has the better chance of scoring than you do. If you’ve ever played football then you just know those things. You don’t need to look up the stats for it.

Statistics are very relevant to penalties though because it is such a closed environment with so few variables. I didn’t bring them into the conversation to sound ‘enlightened’ I brought them into the conversation because they are relevant when discussing the le Fée penalty miss. The taker gets a free kick at the goal from a fixed location, there’s no wall to account for, no obfuscation of the keepers view, no change in angle. The taker can choose where he kicks it, and how fast he kicks it. Thats it. The keeper has to guess those two things, if the keeper guessed right then he saves it, if he doesn’t then it’s a goal. Thats why keepers all have crib sheets on the water bottles these days, so that they know how statistically likely a taker is to kick the ball a certain way. And if a taker never goes down the middle then the keeper has a 50/50 chance of guessing the right way.

If anybody’s talking ‘fuckin drivel’ then it’s you for equating the two situations.
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If I’ve ever played before 😂😂😂

Enlightening post, thanks mate.
 
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Whitburnmakem said:
Slight look to the right talbi is there by the time he goes to chip it

He does t have to look behind him man he’s practically just off to the side even a slight look to his right would see him he’s not wearing horse racing blinkers ya no

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You don’t think he can see talbi there ??? :):):):) He’s not even facing straight forward either. He must have tunnel vision
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Yeah he will have coz he’s 1v1.

I’m presuming you’ve never played football then
 
Burndown said:
It was a brilliant save. People for some reason hate on a chipped finish but it’s one of the most effective finishes in modern football with the style of goalkeeping used in 1v1s.

9/10 times, that exact finish goes in. You’ll not see many keepers making that save.
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It wouldn't have even reached the line probably with defenders running back
 
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