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Legends Way fan vote: choose the 14 legends

If you're going to pick Defoe because of his work for the Bradley Lowery Foundation, then surely it'd make more sense to nominate Bradley himself, or the Lowerys more generally?

Totally agree that this should've been given to the club historian to sort. That way you'd get less recently bias, plus the Jill Scott role could be given to someone who was behind the creation of the women's team.
 

Presumably at some point the club will put together a short compilation video showing a legendary moment for SAFC from each of their chosen ‘legends’.

For example:

Porterfield

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Bennett

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Scott

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I'd of liked to see the club spend a little bit of time educating people on why people have been nominated. Maybe Rob Mason could of put something together.

I think if people saw why some of the older players had contributed, we'd see more of them nominated. Even a sentence next to each of their names (ideally a short video - but appreciate that's more difficult/ time consuming).

Even for someone like Jill Scott or Defoe, we could of seen why they were nominated and it'd make there far less annoyance now - as people would know why they'd been picked.
 
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HarrogateMackem said:
I'd of liked to see the club spend a little bit of time educating people on why people have been nominated. Maybe Rob Mason could of put something together.

I think if people saw why some of the older players had contributed, we'd see more of them nominated. Even a sentence next to each of their names (ideally a short video - but appreciate that's more difficult/ time consuming).
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The type of whopper voting for Jill Scott won't sit and watch loads of videos.
 
HarrogateMackem said:
I wish they hadn't done a fan vote in all honesty and let Rob Mason choose! We're no doubt going to see the classic recency bias and the fact people don't know a lot about our history understandably.
I really hope we can celebrate our grand history, and shout about stuff beyond '73! Some names for people to consider (imo).
  1. Raich Carter is regarded as the greatest player ever to play for our fantastic team. A massively gifted inside forward who captained the club to the 1936 league title and the 1937 FA Cup. A local lad too.
  2. Len Shackleton, "the Clown Prince of Football," was a maverick entertainer who dazzled crowds at Roker Park with outrageous skill and an maveric streak that made him a fans' favourite but kept him on the wrong side of the football establishment, earning him far fewer England caps than he deserved
  3. Ted Doig was a Scottish goalkeeper who joined Sunderland in 1890 and spent 14 years at the club, winning the league title and establishing himself as one of the finest keepers of the Victorian era.
  4. Johnny Campbell, another Scot, was a prolific striker during the "Team of All the Talents" period in the 1890s when Sunderland won three league championships in four years, a dominance that has never really been matched.
  5. Charlie Buchan arrived in 1911 and went on to score 224 goals for the club across 16 years, making him one of the greatest forwards in English football before the Second World War
  6. Bobby Gurney holds the club's all-time scoring record with 228 goals between 1925 and 1939, and was the spearhead of the 1936 championship and 1937 FA Cup winning sides.
  7. George Holley was a skillful inside forward who scored over 150 goals in the decade before the First World War, won 10 England caps, and is probably the most unjustly forgotten great player in Sunderland's history imo.
  8. James Allan, founded the club in 1879 as a schoolteacher, making him the reason any of this exists at all.

I imagine Quinny is in with a shout, and Gary Bennett and Super Kev - as they're within our lifetime. And Hurley is obviously amazing too - but he does have the gates?
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This was 100% right. Need to stop this now, as these stones should be valid in 100 years time, not just based on a good player a few seasons ago.
 
Weststand said:
Poor Jill Scott - The club have made a right faux Pas here like
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I feel for Jill she must know herself she doesn’t warrant being included.
No doubt she, like many others, are well known local celebrities but no real achievements for SAFC.
I can only hope she and some others withdraw but its unlikely
 
Can the club also look at renaming the South Stand after Raich Carter while they are doing this?
Sunderland born, captained his hometown club to the top flight title and FA Cup win. Played for England in an era when caps were truly hard hard to earn. It is really poor that there is no recognition of him and a good chance to get rid of the last bits of the Donald/Methven era.
 
HarrogateMackem said:
I'd of liked to see the club spend a little bit of time educating people on why people have been nominated. Maybe Rob Mason could of put something together.

I think if people saw why some of the older players had contributed, we'd see more of them nominated. Even a sentence next to each of their names (ideally a short video - but appreciate that's more difficult/ time consuming).

Even for someone like Jill Scott or Defoe, we could of seen why they were nominated and it'd make there far less annoyance now - as people would know why they'd been picked.
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They could/should have anonymised it even in a simple series of 50/50 choices. Polling companies do it all the time.

So Carter becomes Person A.
Scott becomes Person B.
Reid becomes Person C.

And so on.

Then have do you choose Person A who played for Sunderland 300 times, scored 126 goals, won the league twice and the FA cup once, captained England 37 times (I've made these numbers up) or Person B who played for Sunderland 39 times, played for England 140 times.

A short series of 50/50 choices with scoring attached. SO SO EASY.
 
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Goldeneye said:
Can the club also look at renaming the South Stand after Raich Carter while they are doing this?
Sunderland born, captained his hometown club to the top flight title and FA Cup win. Played for England in an era when caps were truly hard hard to earn. It is really poor that there is no recognition of him and a good chance to get rid of the last bits of the Donald/Methven era.
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It’s got a name, The Roker End.
 
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