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DaveH said:
Nice (when it is sorted)

I have never understood this concept of resignations being accepted. HR departments or senior managers do it, as if they are doing you a favour agreeing to it. But what are they going to do once you hand in your notice? Reject it and force you to work there until the end of time? Contracts say the notice period on termination. I have never seen one that has the condition "if we agree" on it.

Does it date back to something archaic? Just to see what happens, I would love someone to reject my resignation.

One place I worked had a probation period of 18 months. The contract was oddly worded where it said a 3 month notice period of termination for either side, but then said something about 1 month of notice during the probation period. The way it was worded did not say only 1 month for them, but sort of implied it. My boss at the time did try to argue I had to give 3 but he could give me 1 month. He marched off to talk to HR for confirmation and came back claiming it was up to him and he would have to think about it. He would not look me in the eye while saying it, so I think HR told him otherwise. I just asked him to think about if he wanted a fully cooperative person working hard to tie up loose ends for the next month, or someone pissed off and bitter for a quarter of a year. He never did give me an answer either way, but I did not go back after a month was up.
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When I handed my notice in the HR woman told me that my notice period would only begin when she acknowledged my letter. One of the many reasons for my massive dislike of any HR person.
 
Shandy drinker said:
Well
My notice of resignation was accepted
Put in on 31 march
On 3 month’s notice
Hr and gaffer fannyied on all week then he was off last week
Came back in Friday to say he had a response from hr and they said I can work my notice period 🤷‍♀️ Or they’ll offer 6 weeks pay to go say Wednesday next week
I need to clarify if that’s 6 weeks from date of resignation or 6 weeks from Friday
Bearing in mind I’ve already worked two weeks plus it’ll take another few days to get paperwork in Place 6 weeks from date of resignation would equate to 2 weeks they have fucked about plus 4 weeks standard notice
I’ve got 7 days holiday accrued and going away 1st week in may for a week but in effect don’t want to fund my own holiday

Last bloke there put his 3 Month notice in and left 2 days later with full 3 Months pay in lieu

How do I negotiate this without them pulling the offer and insisting I work full 3 months
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I'd start by telling them that the last bloke got 3 months pay in lieu of notice and that you expect their HR policies to treat employees in a fair and consistent manner to avoid tribunal claims.
Matt Hopkins said:
When I handed my notice in the HR woman told me that my notice period would only begin when she acknowledged my letter. One of the many reasons for my massive dislike of any HR person.
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She's wrong. Once you put your intention to leave in writing, your notice period begins.

All bollocks anyway - how are they going to force you to come to work? And companies do anything to avoid litigation because it's so expensive - no-ones going to start legal proceedings to make you come to work (unless you're a footballer or CEO of a listed company). The worst thing they can do is not pay you.
 
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NYMackem said:
I'd start by telling them that the last bloke got 3 months pay in lieu of notice and that you expect their HR policies to treat employees in a fair and consistent manner to avoid tribunal claims.

She's wrong. Once you put your intention to leave in writing, your notice period begins.

All bollocks anyway - how are they going to force you to come to work? And companies do anything to avoid litigation because it's so expensive - no-ones going to start legal proceedings to make you come to work (unless you're a footballer or CEO of a listed company). The worst thing they can do is not pay you.
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I'm pretty sure uou notice period starts the following day so if I handed my resignation today my notice would legally start tomorrow.
 
archiesdad said:
I'm pretty sure uou notice period starts the following day so if I handed my resignation today my notice would legally start tomorrow.
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Not sure of the legal position, but that's the normal accepted practice in the UK. I carefully timed my resignation so that my last day was a public holiday.
 
Matt Hopkins said:
When I handed my notice in the HR woman told me that my notice period would only begin when she acknowledged my letter. One of the many reasons for my massive dislike of any HR person.
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You should have given it to your direct manager in writing or email. He then should have instructed HR. Your notice would then start the day after telling your manager.
 
Libertine said:
You should have given it to your direct manager in writing or email. He then should have instructed HR. Your notice would then start the day after telling your manager.
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And because it is the day, it makes no difference to handing it in from 9am or 5pm. Someone I worked with deliberately handed in his notice at 16:58 on a Friday when the boss was about to go on leave and needed to be away sharpish to get a flight. The lad who resigned, smiled and walked out the door to go home for the weekend. The boss was rushing around really pissed off trying to get all the paperwork done when HR had already gone home early.
 
NYMackem said:
I'd start by telling them that the last bloke got 3 months pay in lieu of notice and that you expect their HR policies to treat employees in a fair and consistent manner to avoid tribunal claims.

She's wrong. Once you put your intention to leave in writing, your notice period begins.

All bollocks anyway - how are they going to force you to come to work? And companies do anything to avoid litigation because it's so expensive - no-ones going to start legal proceedings to make you come to work (unless you're a footballer or CEO of a listed company). The worst thing they can do is not pay you.
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Courts cannot force someone to work, even if they are a footballer or a CEO of a listed company. Contracts of personal service cannot be specifically enforced and the court will not grant an injunction that has the same effect.

The best they can do is prevent them for working for someone else (but not to the extent of making them unable to earn a living at all) or award damages for breach of contract.
 
Matt Hopkins said:
When I handed my notice in the HR woman told me that my notice period would only begin when she acknowledged my letter. One of the many reasons for my massive dislike of any HR person.
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In my long working career I'm struggling to think of any HR person who was any good. They are either a Jobswork by-the-book box ticker or are always passing the buck to someone else and unable to make any decision for themselves.

At my current place we seem to have a different "HR business partner" every 6 months so you don't even get to know them before they are re-orged away.

What kid at school ever dreamt of being a HR manager?
 
Darlo1973 said:
In my long working career I'm struggling to think of any HR person who was any good. They are either a Jobswork by-the-book box ticker or are always passing the buck to someone else and unable to make any decision for themselves.

At my current place we seem to have a different "HR business partner" every 6 months so you don't even get to know them before they are re-orged away.

What kid at school ever dreamt of being a HR manager?
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Some kids give up playing footie at 13 in order to train to be a referee. It takes all sorts, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were some kids who think working in HR is for them.

Weirdos.
 
Darlo1973 said:
In my long working career I'm struggling to think of any HR person who was any good. They are either a Jobswork by-the-book box ticker or are always passing the buck to someone else and unable to make any decision for themselves.

At my current place we seem to have a different "HR business partner" every 6 months so you don't even get to know them before they are re-orged away.

What kid at school ever dreamt of being a HR manager?
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I've dealt with a couple of recruitment people who were good. Practical and organised.

Once you get to the people who deal with HR policy, they're generally hopeless. Tie themselves up in so much arse covering bullshit that they cause themselves problems.
 
I was once in a HR meeting with the new HR director.
After an opening speech, she said, "Ask me anything about HR"
No takers
Come on, come on, there must be something about the company or HR you want to know.
One lad felt the need to break the silence and asked how many people work for the company that she is responsible for?

I don't ... errr ... know ... errr.... let me get back to you on that .
 
a1970man said:
I was once in a HR meeting with the new HR director.
After an opening speech, she said, "Ask me anything about HR"
No takers
Come on, come on, there must be something about the company or HR you want to know.
One lad felt the need to break the silence and asked how many people work for the company that she is responsible for?

I don't ... errr ... know ... errr.... let me get back to you on that .
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Our HR director has a spot in our quarterly "town hall" (I hate that term). It always starts "You guys are awesome and we are doing great things this year" then pivots to "but as you know money is tight so there is a hiring freeze, we are delaying promotions and bonus pools will be cut"
 
stapler said:
Courts cannot force someone to work, even if they are a footballer or a CEO of a listed company. Contracts of personal service cannot be specifically enforced and the court will not grant an injunction that has the same effect.

The best they can do is prevent them for working for someone else (but not to the extent of making them unable to earn a living at all) or award damages for breach of contract.
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Yes, I meant that very highly paid / uniquely skilled people would be more likely to get sued by their employer (if they breached contract), not that the suit would be to try and force attendance, but I could have worded it better.
 
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