More erasing of history...

[CatRyan]

Where you from?

He wanted a United Ireland...

S. Tipp and Mayo

I don't much care what he wanted, or that he loathed us... I can be objective and see that Cromwell was one of the greatest Britons of all time.

 

[42]

People do care though
A country with such a rich and proud history as ours, scrapping historical characters - that play an important role in the story of our nation, and who we are - from bank notes, to avoid angering the anti-Britain, BLM, Pro-Palistine, Pro-Iran etc etc knackers that we've filled our country with.

Scandalous really.

And those that cared voted. And more cared about animals

 

[johnlights]

I’m not the one accusing people of erasing history - you are, yet you only seem interested in preserving the history that you like?

Recognising only the good people / good acts and ignoring the bad = erasing history

Putting a couple of birds on the back of a note = not altering history in the slightest

No one, not a single country celebrates bad things. Youre just coming up with nonsense.
Shakespeare, Turing deserve recognition, not removing.

 

[Tadger]

Tangents, tangents everywhere!

We should celebrate our history. Not erase it to pacify a few.

It isn't a tangent. It's the argument you're making.

 

[CatRyan]

Yep, and they go you Benidorm for winter.

Do you understand that the history still happened?
Do you understand the owl exists now and won't suddenly come into existence because it is on a bank note?

 

[Billie Cheemus]

No one, not a single country celebrates bad things. Youre just coming up with nonsense.
Shakespeare, Turing deserve recognition, not removing.

So you better change your thread. As you said it was about erasing history, where now you want to celebrate historical figures.

Which is it?

 

[Stella Spark]

I'd make the argument that for a long time that's how we have defined ourselves and it hasn't done us much good in the long run.

We don't own a quarter of the globe anymore and now more people are asking the question if it was objectively such a good thing when we did.

The lack of infanticide, widow burning, cannibalism, and slavery - might suggest a lot of it was a good thing

 

[johnlights]

It isn't a tangent. It's the argument you're making.

No. I wanted to talk about bank notes.
Then, as usual, when the argument is sound, distractions are introduced to muddy the pond.
Start a thread about the British Empire.

 

[CatRyan]

No one, not a single country celebrates bad things. Youre just coming up with nonsense.
Shakespeare, Turing deserve recognition, not removing.

Absolutely untrue. Ireland celebrates it's great losses. We consider it crass to be such ungracious winners. Took the rugby team a long time and a lot of work to accept it was actually OK to be a winner and not the romantic loser.

 

[johnlights]

So you better change your thread. As you said it was about erasing history, where now you want to celebrate historical figures.

Which is it?

Ridiculous. Absolutely pathetically ridiculous.

 

[Tadger]

Where you from?

He wanted a United Ireland...

He did, but mainly for pragmatic wartime reasons than any kind of morality or principle.

Churchill was a staunch believer in British Imperialism and most of what went with it.

 

[Billie Cheemus]

Ridiculous. Absolutely pathetically ridiculous.

So you don’t know.

 

[CatRyan]

And those that cared voted. And more cared about animals

The British do love animals... Battersea Dogs home predates charities for children left dying in the street and all that.

 

[Tadger]

It could very well be argued otherwise... think only of the amount of Eurovisions that have been lost thanks the detestation of the British for the Empire.

That alone should turn anyone into a screaming leftie.

 

[johnlights]

He did, but mainly for pragmatic wartime reasons than any kind of morality or principle.

Churchill was a staunch believer in British Imperialism and most of what went with it.

And if he hasn't have been, your life would/could have been so different.
Enjoy wallowing in your performative guilt though.

 

[CatRyan]

The lack of infanticide, widow burning, cannibalism, and slavery - might suggest a lot of it was a good thing

Don't know what fkd up history books you're reading.

 

[johnlights]

So you don’t know.

I dont want the bank notes changed. I want them TO REMAIN celebrating historical greats.
If that isn't clear enough for you, tough.

 

[42]

No one, not a single country celebrates bad things. Youre just coming up with nonsense.
Shakespeare, Turing deserve recognition, not removing.

Your argument is all over the place

The historical figures get changed, so at some point 'removed'
Shakespeare was removed about 30 years ago & replaced by Faraday who in turn was replaced by Elgar a few years later. They were recognised by being on the note in the first place. We're now going to celebrate wildlife, then in 50 years they might change to landmarks.

 

[CatRyan]

No. I wanted to talk about bank notes.
Then, as usual, when the argument is sound, distractions are introduced to muddy the pond.
Start a thread about the British Empire.

No you wanted to start a thread about erasing history... that is not what happens if Churchill is voted by the public to be removed from a bank note.

 

[John the Savage]

Can we get Starmer and Mandy on the 10 bob note?