Jared Gillet

[sponge]

If gamesmanship has increased which I agree it has.

There should be a constructive conversation on how we can help refs on the field.

Authorities should look at replays after games ban players for a considerable time when they have seen perfect replays and know for certain a particular player has dived/cheated that may stop it and make it easier for refs going forward.

To expect a ref in real time to spot all the gamesmanship on the field is unfair and all the evidence shows that to be the case.

For the sake of your argument if you want to achieve higher standards let’s help them let’s think of way to stop cheating.

Instead (not by you) we have a high number of people just simply abusing them every week, not understanding the obvious high difficulty of having to make real time decisions in proven difficult circumstances.

You even have grown up men who think certain refs have purposely given decisions against their club because they don’t like their club.

I mean do me a favour.

If we want to achieve the higher standards you after the whole culture needs to change and look at other sports and the culture they have towards officiating and start to help these blokes not abuse them.

Because if the culture doesn’t change we have no chance of doing soo, and more and more possible good refs taking up the game will think ‘fuck that’ they is no way I am taking this game up to be abused week in week out.

I never get involved in these threads but Saturdays penalty rightly brings up questions of cheating. I mean I don’t see how the ref got it wrong but then for VAR to look at it and say it isn’t a penalty only points to one thing really. They clearly know the rules cause they’re in a var capacity, they’ve seen umpteen angles and had as much time as they need to review it. If it isn’t a case of just na fuck them they’re not having a pen then what other plausible example of why it wasn’t given is there ?

 

[AC Mack]

I never get involved in these threads but Saturdays penalty rightly brings up questions of cheating. I mean I don’t see how the ref got it wrong but then for VAR to look at it and say it isn’t a penalty only points to one thing really. They clearly know the rules cause they’re in a var capacity, they’ve seen umpteen angles and had as much time as they need to review it. If it isn’t a case of just na fuck them they’re not having a pen then what other plausible example of why it wasn’t given is there ?

You can make a mistake without it being cheating. They just fucked up.

 

[sponge]

You can make a mistake without it being cheating. They just fucked up.

That’s very true but it’s borderline impossible for a qualified ref and var assistants to all get that wrong, I haven’t heard a single fan / pundit say it wasn’t a penalty, not one. I’m sorry but I just don’t buy into the idea that it was a ‘mistake.

 

[viccarlton]

If gamesmanship has increased which I agree it has.

There should be a constructive conversation on how we can help refs on the field.

Authorities should look at replays after games ban players for a considerable time when they have seen perfect replays and know for certain a particular player has dived/cheated that may stop it and make it easier for refs going forward.

To expect a ref in real time to spot all the gamesmanship on the field is unfair and all the evidence shows that to be the case.

For the sake of your argument if you want to achieve higher standards let’s help them let’s think of way to stop cheating.

Instead (not by you) we have a high number of people just simply abusing them every week, not understanding the obvious high difficulty of having to make real time decisions in proven difficult circumstances.

You even have grown up men who think certain refs have purposely given decisions against their club because they don’t like their club.

I mean do me a favour.

If we want to achieve the higher standards you after the whole culture needs to change and look at other sports and the culture they have towards officiating and start to help these blokes not abuse them.

Because if the culture doesn’t change we have no chance of doing soo, and more and more possible good refs taking up the game will think ‘fuck that’ they is no way I am taking this game up to be abused week in week out.

There’s a whole lot of chuntering in this post, bottom line being you and the other referee apologists attempting to justify why Gillet didn’t award a penalty to Sunderland for the foul on Le Fée, anyone with eyes could see it was a foul challenge and even Perry Mason couldn’t defend that decision.

 

[Voice of fair play]

There’s a whole lot of chuntering in this post, bottom line being you and the other referee apologists attempting to justify why Gillet didn’t award a penalty to Sunderland for the foul on Le Fée, anyone with eyes could see it was a foul challenge and even Perry Mason couldn’t defend that decision.

I seriously wonder sometimes if people actually read posts.

I have said at least 15 times that it was a bad decision in real time and a really terrible one after VAR.

Nobody is trying to justify anything for Saturdays decision.

The post you quoted was saying to help refs going forward in general, bans should be given to players after the match when cheating definitely known

That’s very true but it’s borderline impossible for a qualified ref and var assistants to all get that wrong, I haven’t heard a single fan / pundit say it wasn’t a penalty, not one. I’m sorry but I just don’t buy into the idea that it was a ‘mistake.

If it wasn’t a mistake all be it a very bad one.

What else could it be?

Have the ref on the field and the VAR officials before the game over a cup of coffee decided that they purposely going to not give Sunderland decisions!

Let’s think about it for one second it’s just ludicrous to suggest it.

I do get that your point especially from the VAR decision it’s very hard to understand why someone could get such an easy decision wrong.

However only two things could have happened a really bad mistake or purpose bias against Sunderland?

When you break it down like that they is only one sensible answer imo.

 

[sponge]

I seriously wonder sometimes if people actually read posts.

I have said at least 15 times that it was a bad decision in real time and a really terrible one after VAR.

Nobody is trying to justify anything for Saturdays decision.

The post you quoted was saying to help refs going forward in general, bans should be given to players after the match when cheating definitely known

If it wasn’t a mistake all be it a very bad one.

What else could it be?

Have the ref on the field and the VAR officials before the game over a cup of coffee decided that they purposely going to not give Sunderland decisions!

Let’s think about it for one second it’s just ludicrous to suggest it.

I do get that your point especially from the VAR decision it’s very hard to understand why someone could get such an easy decision wrong.

However only two things could have happened a really bad mistake or purpose bias against Sunderland?

When you break it down like that they is only one sensible answer imo.

There’s a number of reasons of what it could be but for me the most plausible is that they didn’t want Sunderland to have a penalty. Whether that boils down to a dislike of us, the timing and not wanting to give it too early or something else I have no idea but questions do rightly need to be asked. What I do know for certain is that it wasn’t a mistake, giving a goal kick when the keepers got a fingertip to it is a mistake, I’m sorry but nothing about that penalty screams mistake. It was way more than that and only the var officials could explain it because they’ll have looked at it, realised it was a penalty then for whatever reason told the ref to carry on.

 

[viccarlton]

I seriously wonder sometimes if people actually read posts.

I have said at least 15 times that it was a bad decision in real time and a really terrible one after VAR.

Nobody is trying to justify anything for Saturdays decision.

The post you quoted was saying to help refs going forward in general, bans should be given to players after the match when cheating definitely known

I have read your previous posts, and yes you have acknowledged the mistake by the officials on Saturday, but to be honest marra you and your counterparts bore the tits off everyone with your constant wriggling trying to explain why officials get things wrong.
They’re incompetent, at best inconsistent, you say they must be the cream of their profession, I say if that’s the case then there’s a very poor talent pool to choose from.
The whole set up from match day officials to the men in the shed and also Howard Webb are an embarrassment and an insult to the integrity of the game.

 

[Geras]

You can make a mistake without it being cheating. They just fucked up.

That was a mistake that you can't make, unless the entire VAR team was on acid, Fear and Loathing in Bournmouth style .

 

[tunstallhill]

There’s a number of reasons of what it could be but for me the most plausible is that they didn’t want Sunderland to have a penalty. Whether that boils down to a dislike of us, the timing and not wanting to give it too early or something else I have no idea but questions do rightly need to be asked. What I do know for certain is that it wasn’t a mistake, giving a goal kick when the keepers got a fingertip to it is a mistake, I’m sorry but nothing about that penalty screams mistake. It was way more than that and only the var officials could explain it because they’ll have looked at it, realised it was a penalty then for whatever reason told the ref to carry on.

i wonder if we'll ever hear the audio from the VAR room

i seem to remember it being released a few times when clear failures have occured. like that disallowed goal for liverpool at spurs a few years back when they got mixed up between them with the language they used. i wonder if something like that might have occurred, for instance if the VAR team thought wrongly that the Ref had given a penna and said something like 'agree with onfield decision' or something like that.

I'd love to hear that audio

 

[sponge]

i wonder if we'll ever hear the audio from the VAR room

i seem to remember it being released a few times when clear failures have occured. like that disallowed goal for liverpool at spurs a few years back when they got mixed up between them with the language they used. i wonder if something like that might have occurred, for instance if the VAR team thought wrongly that the Ref had given a penna and said something like 'agree with onfield decision' or something like that.

I'd love to hear that audio

I would pay money to hear it to be honest.

 

[Voice of fair play]

There’s a number of reasons of what it could be but for me the most plausible is that they didn’t want Sunderland to have a penalty. Whether that boils down to a dislike of us, the timing and not wanting to give it too early or something else I have no idea but questions do rightly need to be asked. What I do know for certain is that it wasn’t a mistake, giving a goal kick when the keepers got a fingertip to it is a mistake, I’m sorry but nothing about that penalty screams mistake. It was way more than that and only the var officials could explain it because they’ll have looked at it, realised it was a penalty then for whatever reason told the ref to carry on.

The most plausible is the ref on the field froze in the moment ( not good enough) and the VAR official did not have the bottle once he seen the replay to overturn the mistake made by his mate, probably because he was new at it.

Both terrible, bad from ref on the field and absolutely horrendous from the VAR official.

That’s miles more plausible explanation of what happened.

You seriously trying to put a argument together that both them together had decided before the game they didn’t want to give purposely Sunderland decisions without providing any reason for them doing soo.

i wonder if we'll ever hear the audio from the VAR room

i seem to remember it being released a few times when clear failures have occured. like that disallowed goal for liverpool at spurs a few years back when they got mixed up between them with the language they used. i wonder if something like that might have occurred, for instance if the VAR team thought wrongly that the Ref had given a penna and said something like 'agree with onfield decision' or something like that.

I'd love to hear that audio

Yeah I agree it would be very interesting to see what was said

 

[Geras]

I would pay money to hear it to be honest.

More chance of the full Epstein tapes .

 

[sponge]

The most plausible is the ref on the field froze in the moment ( not good enough) and the VAR official did not have the bottle once he seen the replay to overturn the mistake made by his mate, probably because he was new at it.

Both terrible, bad from ref on the field and absolutely horrendous from the VAR official.

That’s miles more plausible explanation of what happened.

You seriously trying to put a argument together that both them together had decided before the game they didn’t want to give purposely Sunderland decisions without providing any reason for them doing soo.

Yeah I agree it would be very interesting to see what was said

I haven’t said they purposely got together and decided they weren’t going to give Sunderland decisions. I’m on about this isolated incident which for me isn’t even close to a mistake, there’s something underlying as to why it wasn’t given, personally I think they just didn’t want to give a penalty that early in the game, especially to the away team, if so then that’s wrong and it’s cheating. I think that’s more likely than them ‘making a mistake.

 

[Voice of fair play]

I have read your previous posts, and yes you have acknowledged the mistake by the officials on Saturday, but to be honest marra you and your counterparts bore the tits off everyone with your constant wriggling trying to explain why officials get things wrong.
They’re incompetent, at best inconsistent, you say they must be the cream of their profession, I say if that’s the case then there’s a very poor talent pool to choose from.
The whole set up from match day officials to the men in the shed and also Howard Webb are an embarrassment and an insult to the integrity of the game.

‘ Integrity of the game’

You have 22 players all cheating, diving, feigning injury, time wasting, appealing for corners, free kicks they know not theirs yet still scream at refs when don’t get them.

Not to mention managers, fans etc etc all making the refs job as difficult as possible.

Then having the bare faced cheek to say it is the refs who are insult to the ‘ integrity of the game’

Absolutely priceless!

The integrity of the game was gone years ago when the big money came in.

There is no integrity in the game of football that went years ago, if it ever existed.

Integrity exists in other sports not football!

I haven’t said they purposely got together and decided they weren’t going to give Sunderland decisions. I’m on about this isolated incident which for me isn’t even close to a mistake, there’s something underlying as to why it wasn’t given, personally I think they just didn’t want to give a penalty that early in the game, especially to the away team, if so then that’s wrong and it’s cheating. I think that’s more likely than them ‘making a mistake.

I think a mistake was definitely made on the field, however for VAR to look at it and not overturn it is agreeably very confusing.

Like I say most plausible answer is VAR ref did not have the bottle to overturn the decision as new.

Not good enough totally agree, cheating I don’t think soo.

This nonsense that hear sometimes that officials dislike like certain teams and as such don’t give them teams decisions I find paranoid nonsense

 

[Butcher's Coat]

I have read your previous posts, and yes you have acknowledged the mistake by the officials on Saturday, but to be honest marra you and your counterparts bore the tits off everyone with your constant wriggling trying to explain why officials get things wrong.

Do you not think that you and your counterparts on here who make up things/cannot see both sides of an argument and make other daft comments to try and justify fouls against us are boring?
The number of posters who have red and white blinkers on who are adamant that refs hate us, are biased against us, and basically cannot see the wood for the trees; chunter on all the match threads about the so-called dishonesty of refereeing in the Premiership. We had the same posters boring the tits off of us when we were in League 1 and the Championship with the same old boring arguments.

Works both ways.

Ha'way the Ref.

 

[taipeisafc]

You can make a mistake without it being cheating. They just fucked up.

I think at times the refs and linesman are just leaving it to VAR to avoid making a mistake - but the problem is VAR are leaving it to the referees and don't want to contradict them and be seen as "re-reffing" the game. So we end up in a messed up limbo - as an earlier poster said the non-penalty on Saturday was a poor decision on the field but much worse by VAR.

 

[viccarlton]

‘ Integrity of the game’

You have 22 players all cheating, diving, feigning injury, time wasting, appealing for corners, free kicks they know not theirs yet still scream at refs when don’t get them.

Not to mention managers, fans etc etc all making the refs job as difficult as possible.

Then having the bare faced cheek to say it is the refs who are insult to the ‘ integrity of the game’

Absolutely priceless!

The integrity of the game was gone years ago when the big money came in.

There is no integrity in the game of football that went years ago, if it ever existed.

Integrity exists in other sports not football!

Read your post and ask yourself who is the custodian of integrity during the game, I’m sure you will be able to work out why the cheating in the game continues, it’s because the officials don’t do their job, officiate the game as it should be and they’ll regain respect from players and fans.
I’m all for bookings/sending offs for requisite misdemeanours, but referees again choose when to let them go and when to penalise, again making a rod for their own backs.
They’re a law unto themselves, no wonder they get flack.

 

[sponge]

‘ Integrity of the game’

You have 22 players all cheating, diving, feigning injury, time wasting, appealing for corners, free kicks they know not theirs yet still scream at refs when don’t get them.

Not to mention managers, fans etc etc all making the refs job as difficult as possible.

Then having the bare faced cheek to say it is the refs who are insult to the ‘ integrity of the game’

Absolutely priceless!

The integrity of the game was gone years ago when the big money came in.

There is no integrity in the game of football that went years ago, if it ever existed.

Integrity exists in other sports not football!

I think a mistake was definitely made on the field, however for VAR to look at it and not overturn it is agreeably very confusing.

Like I say most plausible answer is VAR ref did not have the bottle to overturn the decision as new.

Not good enough totally agree, cheating I don’t think soo.

This nonsense that hear sometimes that officials dislike like certain teams and as such don’t give them teams decisions I find paranoid nonsense

Just for the record I’m not one for saying refs don’t like us etc and I’m certainly not paranoid, this decision has just really narked me and I would absolutely love to hear the ref / var people explain it. Yeah I get your point about him not having the bottle to over rule the ref, that’s absolutely possible too and on reflection probably the reason. I’m sure we can both agree tho that it’s wrong and should never have happened which is the frustrating issue for safc fans who feel really wronged by the incident.

 

[Geras]

Just for the record I’m not one for saying refs don’t like us etc and I’m certainly not paranoid, this decision has just really narked me and I would absolutely love to hear the ref / var people explain it. Yeah I get your point about him not having the bottle to over rule the ref, that’s absolutely possible too and on reflection probably the reason. I’m sure we can both agree tho that it’s wrong and should never have happened which is the frustrating issue for safc fans who feel really wronged by the incident.

Well i for one can't think of a single reason they would and I'm 100% certain it wasnt personal

 

[viccarlton]

Do you not think that you and your counterparts on here who make up things/cannot see both sides of an argument and make other daft comments to try and justify fouls against us are boring?
The number of posters who have red and white blinkers on who are adamant that refs hate us, are biased against us, and basically cannot see the wood for the trees; chunter on all the match threads about the so-called dishonesty of refereeing in the Premiership. We had the same posters boring the tits off of us when we were in League 1 and the Championship with the same old boring arguments.

Works both ways.

Ha'way the Ref.

I can’t see where I’ve suggested any hate or bias against us, and you have definitely never seen me on any of the match threads (Sunderland) as generally I’m at the match.
Give your head a shake man.