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ID checks for away tickets

Guinness Guzzler said:
Exactly. There's a discussion about who deserves the away tickets which, for me, is rightly those who have gone to the most away games over recent years. But that's totally different from who is the best fans! I get a bit sick of the sniping about different ends of the ground as well "eee they kicked towards the north stand second half, no wonder we lost" as if the south stand is the f***ing yellow wall and not just an area thats a bit louder than the rest but still incredibly tame compared to even what the SWC was 20 years ago. Prefer it when everyone is just getting behind the lads not trying to feel like they're somehow special compared to fellow supporters
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Bang on mate. It has crept in within our fanbase i agree. I'll be honest, i'm not bothered who goes to the away games in the slightest, as long as they are they to support the lads. I know that wont go down well with some on here, but i just find it boring and tedious about who is deserving to go, more than others. Tin hat aswel, our away following is nowhere near what it used to be in the 90's and 00's. This season has been shit in the main for the atmosphere. We need to ge the younger generation more involved imo.
Forrest Gump said:
Fancy missing Burnley

You lucky bastard :lol:
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:lol: :lol:...the only difference that would have made would be me seeing us fail to score in 9 away games this season instead of the 8:lol:
 
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Guinness Guzzler said:
To be fair I'd disagree there. And it's partly the reason the club stopped using the term "loyalty" points and moved to Black Cat Points. Because simply being in the position to travel the length and breadth of the country doesn't make someone more loyal, or a better fan. Some lads just do it for the piss up and the result is relatively secondary. You could have fans with quite a lot of black cat points who have only had a ticket 3 years. They live at home with their mam, have a job, loads of disposable cash. That doesn't make them a better fan than someone who doesn't go away any more but has had a season ticket for decades and never waivered.

I used to go to loads of away games. Largely stopped (only went to some of the midweek ones, work permitting) when I had a kid. Yes, I could have dragged him the length of the country at 5 years old but he wouldn't have enjoyed it and it would probably have put him off supporting the club entirely. So I gave it up to be a parent. But I took him to his first home game at 3, and he's had a season ticket since 6.

I've only got about 16 points now, but I'm not a worse fan than I used to be. I go to every home game, I recently spent countless hours as part of the supporters trust spending spare time trying to help when fans had issues, I've got my son into following the lads so the club will have another fan for years when I'm dead. Being in a fortunate position to have the time and money to go to the away games on its own doesn't mean you're a better fan. Better than some who rarely go to home games and don't really give a fuck. But in and of itself you're not more of a fan because you're able to go away most weekends

I'm not saying people in my position deserve the away tickets. Not at all. That's rightly done by a system which rewards those who are in a position to go most weeks. But the people doing it aren't better fans. I'm not a better fan than someone equally committed who can't afford to go to every home game either
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You make valid points, but it's just a differing of opinion. I get that people have different commitments / reasons as to why they can or can't go.

Just for the record, I'm not trying to use this as a claim to be better than anyone myself. I don't have enough points to even get in phase 3 these days nor have I held a season ticket every season at the SoL. It's been at least 10 years since I regularly went to away games.

I'm as passionate about my club as the next fan. But I'd still class someone who has had a season ticket the last 5 years and built up 50 BCP's as a better fan than me at present. They would be more deserving than me to get tickets for any away game.

Even if someone has more suitable circumstances that enable them to go to more games. They still have made the choices to spend their hard earned cash and do the miles to places like Portsmouth, Bristol City etc.

The fact that I went to 15 to 20 aways per season when Roy Keane was manager doesn't make me a better fan than them today.
 
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Mnemonic said:
Self self self, coming from those who point even discuss a fairer system??

I just want a system which isn’t a closed shop
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I'm sure next season won't be
The last time we were in the premier League loads of games were nowhere near selling out.
Arsenal , man city , Chelsea. Not just the year we got relegated, the season under gus poyet too
 
offmenut said:
I'm sure next season won't be
The last time we were in the premier League loads of games were nowhere near selling out.
Arsenal , man city , Chelsea. Not just the year we got relegated, the season under gus poyet too
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Demand is higher across the board now though. Attendances everywhere have been booming post-covid. Back then, we weren't filling the SoL consistently either
 
Wearside Wanderer II said:
We have peaked, posters now being told to not go to away games as it’s obsessive behaviour and it stops others going.
We truly have some loose wires amongst our poster base on here.
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No one said not to go to away games at all, nor that it's obsessive behaviour.

Obsessive behaviour is making life decisions about University, Partners and family based on ticket availability.

Everyone wants to twist what I'm suggesting, but all I want is a system that doesn't lock kids out unless we turn shit again.

Maybes I'm too optimistic, but I think we can push on - if that happens, there's no way in for the youngsters. They can collect as many points as possible but in reality will be unlikely to ever get past 15.
 
I wouldn't say this thread has gone mental in RTG terms, but it's gone fuck all to do with the thread topic :lol:
brains said:
You make valid points, but it's just a differing of opinion. I get that people have different commitments / reasons as to why they can or can't go.

Just for the record, I'm not trying to use this as a claim to be better than anyone myself. I don't have enough points to even get in phase 3 these days nor have I held a season ticket every season at the SoL. It's been at least 10 years since I regularly went to away games.

I'm as passionate about my club as the next fan. But I'd still class someone who has had a season ticket the last 5 years and built up 50 BCP's as a better fan than me at present. They would be more deserving than me to get tickets for any away game.

Even if someone has more suitable circumstances that enable them to go to more games. They still have made the choices to spend their hard earned cash and do the miles to places like Portsmouth, Bristol City etc.

The fact that I went to 15 to 20 aways per season when Roy Keane was manager doesn't make me a better fan than them today.
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I tend to agree. But, citing your example there (50 bpc example) the problem is (and getting back to the origin of this topic and why) there's people in that example aren't actually going to away games!!!!
 
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Maxie said:
I wouldn't say this thread has gone mental in RTG terms, but it's gone fuck all to do with the thread topic :lol:

I tend to agree. But, citing your example there (50 bpc example) the problem is (and getting back to the origin of this topic and why) there's people in that example aren't actually going to away games!!!!
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Yes of course. If you read my other posts, I am in support of the club doing more stringent checks to ensure that people aren't just shifting tickets on.

Ironically this will be to my detriment as I won't get any away tickets. But fair is fair.
Mnemonic said:
No one said not to go to away games at all, nor that it's obsessive behaviour.

Obsessive behaviour is making life decisions about University, Partners and family based on ticket availability.

Everyone wants to twist what I'm suggesting, but all I want is a system that doesn't lock kids out unless we turn shit again.

Maybes I'm too optimistic, but I think we can push on - if that happens, there's no way in for the youngsters. They can collect as many points as possible but in reality will be unlikely to ever get past 15.
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There is a good argument for ring fencing a small number of tickets (maybe 50 or so) that could go to 1 x U16 and 1 adult for example who don't have the required points. These are the kind of things that the club will have to consider going forward if we continue to progress on the pitch.
 
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There's nearly always a good age mix at away matches including bairns. Seemingly just not the right bairns for some. As has been said repeatedly, the system works well apart from the fb sellers which needs addressing. Amazingly, the most difficult time to want to start going to away matches is when the club is doing better than it has in a long time and demand is way outstripping supply. Who'd have thunk it?
 
Mnemonic said:
I’ve been in many away ends since the 80s

My kids can’t go, because of obsessed people like you.

The system is going to be reviewed and it may do you good to miss a few.
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Crackers you like lad.

Not sure who made you the judge and jury over who chooses to go to games and why, it’s that persons prerogative to spend time, money on effort which clearly they enjoy.
Just because you made other choices doesn’t give you the right to criticise them for you not getting aTicket because you chose other avenue is to spend you time money and effort.
 
viccarlton said:
Well of course I understand your disappointment, but as it stands the system is what it is, change is unnecessary to facilitate fans like yourself for the position they find themselves in.
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Would you agree it need changing if we're still seeing demand after 3 years?
Wearside Wanderer II said:
Crackers you like lad.

Not sure who made you the judge and jury over who chooses to go to games and why, it’s that persons prerogative to spend time, money on effort which clearly they enjoy.
Just because you made other choices doesn’t give you the right to criticise them for you not getting aTicket because you chose other avenue is to spend you time money and effort.
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I entitled to an opinion, and sacrificing education, university and relationships seems unhealthy to me.
 
Mnemonic said:
Would you agree it need changing if we're still seeing demand after 3 years?

I entitled to an opinion, and sacrificing education, university and relationships seems unhealthy to me.
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You go on like the lads never been to school, lives in a cave and has never had a burd/bloke.
In reality you have had a hissy fit because you have fuck all points to get to the games.
Should have done something about that over the last 2/3 years…
Opinions are like a loose guess based on someone’s theory of what they think has happened based on bugger all facts.
 
rubberface said:
Bang on....that's why i've kept off this thread in the main. I find it cringing all this "i'm a better supporter than those who don't/can't go to away games". Same ones constantly. Makes me cringe. I've been to every away game bar Burnley this season...but wouldn't dream of thinking i'm more deserving than any other fan...we are all the same and support the same club. Tedious as fuck this thread man.
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i don't think i'm a better supporter than anyone else. i'm fortunate enough to have the time and finances to go. if my circumstances changed i would accept it.
i do think myself and others who have spent the last 3 years going to the far flung ends of the country deserve a ticket more than somebody who couldn't be arsed now we're in the premier league.

these id checks have suddenly manifested themselves because we're doing well. imo there's 2 main groups who are to blame. that bellend who runs the facebook site selling tickets and those who go on there buying and selling them and some of the branches for not playing by the rules.

the biggest issue for me is fairness.
 
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humbug said:
i don't think i'm a better supporter than anyone else. i'm fortunate enough to have the time and finances to go. if my circumstances changed i would accept it.
i do think myself and others who have spent the last 3 years going to the far flung ends of the country deserve a ticket more than somebody who couldn't be arsed now we're in the premier league.

these id checks have suddenly manifested themselves because we're doing well. imo there's 2 main groups who are to blame. that bellend who runs the facebook site selling tickets and those who go on there buying and selling them and some of the branches for not playing by the rules.
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Faor enough. I couldn't give a monkeys tbh mate, life's too short the way some are going on.
 
rubberface said:
I'll be honest, i'm not bothered who goes to the away games in the slightest, as long as they are they to support the lads.
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Genuine question then mate. You wouldn't be arsed if you missed out on a ticket for the Mags away to someone who hadn't been to an away game in the last three seasons?
Mnemonic said:
Everyone wants to twist what I'm suggesting, but all I want is a system that doesn't lock kids out unless we turn shit again.
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What's your suggestion for an alternative system?
 
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Provider said:
Genuine question then mate. You wouldn't be arsed if you missed out on a ticket for the Mags away to someone who hadn't been to an away game in the last three seasons?
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Fuck that :lol: ;)...what i will say is, this season has been shocking away from home in most games for atmosphere from our end. Is it because it's the same faces and it's just the same old trip up and down the country every other week?
 
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